Osama Bin Laden is dead

4 pages in, and no one (past/present servicemen included) has raised the notion that it would have been better to get the villain alive at all costs and have him stand trial.

I hope after the euphoria wears away people will realize why he was promptly disposed of. I'm not one to believe conspiracy theories but this will leave a ton of questions effectively unanswerable.
 
4 pages in, and no one (past/present servicemen included) has raised the notion that it would have been better to get the villain alive at all costs and have him stand trial.

I hope after the euphoria wears away people will realize why he was promptly disposed of. I'm not one to believe conspiracy theories but this will leave a ton of questions effectively unanswerable.



THIS

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Well..most of you guys are just seeing one side of the coin. By killing Bin Laden, a martyr was just created, and a wave of hatred against the US will soon exist. OK, Bin Laden is dead but for sure there is another wacko just waiting an opportunity to bomb somebody. Most guys are probably happy, feeling some relief by his death (I understand a lot of guys here may have people who died on 9/11), but what will happen next? Some Al Qaeda nut-head will bomb something again and it will start all over again...

Anyway, congrats, I guess.
 
4 pages in, and no one (past/present servicemen included) has raised the notion that it would have been better to get the villain alive at all costs and have him stand trial.

I hope after the euphoria wears away people will realize why he was promptly disposed of. I'm not one to believe conspiracy theories but this will leave a ton of questions effectively unanswerable.

Yeah it's really a bit weird. It's said that he has been killed in a gunfight, though he had been shot precisely in the head. So why didn't they just shoot him in the legs or whatever?
 
4 pages in, and no one (past/present servicemen included) has raised the notion that it would have been better to get the villain alive at all costs and have him stand trial.

I hope after the euphoria wears away people will realize why he was promptly disposed of. I'm not one to believe conspiracy theories but this will leave a ton of questions effectively unanswerable.

I think their view on this might have been, if he stood trial, he'd have had the opportunity to spread his hatred for the USA, it would've taken years to get the trial ready. If you look at the joke that was Saddam Hussein's trial, I think they might have been better off killing him.

That said, I don't totally believe that they threw him overboard.
 
he was also buried swiftly because it is islamic tradition. the US has a knack for doing politically correct, yet unpolitical correct things lol.

like you would think the gangsta thing to do with saddam hussein would be to just shoot him. but nooo, they cleaned him up took him to a nice jail and "returned him to his people to face justice" and washed their hands clean.


they do the "hollywood" thing. i could have told you 10 years ago if they ever killed bin laden it's not like they would hold onto his body or do something "disrespectful" to it. probably did whatever tests they had to do and then made sure to stay within the rulebook of "political correctness" and made sure to bury him as per his faith. then they can say "see we are so badass not only do we catch the biggest villain in american history but at the end of it we still do it with class" or something along those lines.



on edit: to furhter my point just read an article on cnn.com -> "A senior administration official also said bin Laden's body would be "handled in accordance with Islamic practice and tradition. This is something that we take very seriously, and so therefore this is being handled in an appropriate manner."
 
Well..most of you guys are just seeing one side of the coin. By killing Bin Laden, a martyr was just created, and a wave of hatred against the US will soon exist. OK, Bin Laden is dead but for sure there is another wacko just waiting an opportunity to bomb somebody. Most guys are probably happy, feeling some relief by his death (I understand a lot of guys here may have people who died on 7/11), but what will happen next? Some Al Qaeda nut-head will bomb something again and it will start all over again...

Anyway, congrats, I guess.

+1

You celebrate today that one guy that you seen only on the TV is dead. Tomorrow you will realise you have just gave them an martyr and another wave of hate will start involving civilised people getting bombed again...
 
Im not an american and i wont get the sense of unity that happened in the country at 9/11, i do understand completely that alot of people who have lost loved ones, are happy how he is dead now, as he was the one being mainly held reponsible, and for doing the shit he done im glad that something got done. However..

as Ivan said above, he is now a martyr, Al Queda activists will seek revenge and retaliate, the US has issued a travel warning for all american citizens to avoid countries where they may be killed for being american due to this. I really fear now that something else will happen as there are many cells of Al-Queda independant and completely capable of carrying on with their terrorism tactics. He was more of a symbolic leader for the last while anyway than an acctual commander so to speak.

TLDR; Glad he's dead BUT, he's now a martyr to Al Queda, and they will probably strike back for this.
 
He is probably gonna be a martyr BUT the operation is a good thing imo.

And I think they did the right thing :

- If they got him alive, there would have been a trial, and so he would have done what he has done since 10 years ago, but even better : being an iconic image, and he would have been a martyr even more, showing the world he sorts of die for his cause. And what would have been the benefit ? CIA, and secret services, already know what they need to know. There is sort of nothing to know from him since he does not control many al qaida groups. They are all over the place, they put the "al quaida" label on them even if they have never had a real connection with him, just for the sake of the mediatic power of the "brand". If you're named "gks" (random name) and bomb a market, you won't have the same impact as if you are named "al quaida".
Also, we all know what would have been the end of the trial. Also, we all know what he would have said. There was nothing to be added.
- if they got him buried the traditionnal islamic way (which is not in the sea, but in the ground, turned towards Mecca), this would have been a cult place for extremist islamics, which is not a good thing obviously.
- killing him properly, and making him disappear, is the most efficient way. Yes it will enrage al qaida groups in the word for a little time, but that's all. It's not like they can do a 911 again. The most worrying thing is the hostages they got.
It's not the first time a country liquidates a leader. In fact, leaders are most of the time liquidated a very clean and fast way, so that we can move on instead of making someone a total martyr. If I'm right, maybe Che Guevarra was liquidated the same by his oponents. Maybe even Hitler would have been killed quickly if someone got him, we can't really know after all though it's probable they would have made a trial for him, since there were no "terrorism/guerilla" aspect to fear, it was a winning war at the time. So what they did is : shoot him clean and fast during the night with a well trained Navy Seals operation with a few helicopters (one crashed btw), left with their body, and when they were over water, just dropped him in the sea attached to some heavy stuff, done, nothing about muslim rules or anything, they totally did not care and found it a political interest in the future to do it this way.
- plus, a good thing, is that it shows to terrorists they can't really hide with success. It creates a doubt. There have always been the image of being "buried in the san" by being in a country with thousands of military men and not doing anything tangible politicaly or idologically speaking. Now it's not true anymore, it has taken 10 years, but they are doing it, and the moral head of the world extremist terrorism is down, no matter if he was actually powerful or not. It's not like secret services are gonna stop searching al qaida leader. In fact they just told them "we can find you".
- also, a wave of bombing can come, but it's likely to be devastating or more extreme : they are already totally extreme and bombing and all and all. It's not like killing the head of north korea which is in tension with south korea, it's killing a moral leader of already active disseminated groups. There is more to gain by killing him than to fear.

Another fact is that he was hiding in islamabad, close to many military entities, in an urban place. Most experts say there was NO WAY pakistan didn't know he was here or did not collaborate. That's why maybe there has been exchanges between USA and pakistan, eventhough pakistan is not a true friend of USA obviously, making this operation possible.

Though, let's face it, it has been a political position, in a moment when USA citizen have been targeted in other countries, when obama was at his lowest. They had a window of action, and it was the right political moment to do it.

All in all, I think it's a good thing. It won't stop al qaida actions, but it's a "hammer smash face" to their members.
 
Well..most of you guys are just seeing one side of the coin. By killing Bin Laden, a martyr was just created, and a wave of hatred against the US will soon exist. OK, Bin Laden is dead but for sure there is another wacko just waiting an opportunity to bomb somebody. Most guys are probably happy, feeling some relief by his death (I understand a lot of guys here may have people who died on 7/11), but what will happen next? Some Al Qaeda nut-head will bomb something again and it will start all over again...

Anyway, congrats, I guess.
I think everyone here knows all of that. In fact many pundits discussed potential blow back on the news last night and the US government has (claimed) to have increased security because of this potential. Most of us are also aware that there may have been political, moral, or intelligence benefits to having taken him alive. But I think people, particularly those directly effected by the attacks are aloud a moment for a sigh of relief. I don't think anyone is naive enough to think that this is over and most aren't diluted enough to believe that our government got everything right on this.
 
I think it's a bit hasty to just immediately believe the news saying "HEY UM OSAMA'S DEAD YAY"
Then he's buried at sea immediately before anyone can get a look at the body and get proof with their own eyes? If this guy is so damn important, then isn't important that the world gets their peace of mind?

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A useful research engine for when it comes time to start deciphering the truth from the lies.

I am not a person that is particularly attached to logic or reason, but at times like these? Probably best to take everything with a grain of salt, and I'm not about to trust what I hear on the news that easily.
 
America is real terrorism.
So muuuuuchhhhh more people died because of the fight against fuckas like him.
Just big lies to make rich people richer.
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Shut the fuck up. We didn't start the war. You don't see Americans going to other countries strapping bombs to their chests to blow up an embassy, cars, buses full of people, planes etc... only radical extremists from other countries do that shit. It's crazy mother fuckers that think they are going to fuck virgins in the sky when they martyr themselves that carry out these dumbass terrorist attempts.

And who said anything about this making rich people richer? Who is getting rich off of this? America is drowning in debt because we are so heavily invested in these military efforts.
 
http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/nuclear-hellstorm-if-bin-laden-is-caught-or-killed-al-qaida-101330

Convenient...

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As far as this being another ' conspiracy ' I can't believe that Bush would have
passed up on the opportunity to claim the head of Bin Laden on his watch had he been killed years ago like some claim .
 
As far as this being another ' conspiracy ' I can't believe that Bush would have
passed up on the opportunity to claim the head of Bin Laden on his watch had he been killed years ago like some claim .

Especially as a lame duck president 5 years after he started the Iraq war and had captured/killed Sadam. Plus lets not forget he had to win an election in 2004 that was so close that (according to the former director of Homeland Security) he actually had the Dept. of Homeland security raise the terror level in October '04 to scare people into staying with a "wartime president."
Maybe that's the difference here, but that is the level of scummy conspiracies I think the government is capable of pulling off.
 
For example:
Iran's dictatorship is so firm because of Americas help.
They are a part of it.
So a lot of people who hate the dictorship are angry and helpless and
they know that they would have a change ,if other countries wouldn't be
involved.
They are angry , not because they want to be martyr (SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH THIS LIEEE, where is this in Koran????????????? )
This told me friends who lived in Iran and this is just one example.