Overheads

to josh

I have just got the hang of audiosnap, using strectching I am able to move the sloppy parts without hurting the sound that much (that is if it is not out too much)
 
Joey Mono room mic huh? Are you making a stereo track after recording and panning it out, or do you leave the room mic a mono track and pan center?

Also if the drummer is sloppy on his feet and you make your own kick track in parts (running kicks) with samples or whatever. The room mic would have that sloppy mess in it and seems like a pain. Any tips on that or basically you have to..

A. Have the drummer just not play the kicks in sloppy parts when tracking or...
B. Have a great drummer that can actually play 16ths on the kicks.

Before you can use the room mic.

leave the mono mic mono. with the spaced pair, it becomes the center gap filler in the sound. it realllly rounds off the cymbals and completes the tone.

if the drummer is having problem with a part, start subtracting problem areas from the playing. messing up on kicks? tell him to simplify the kick playing to quater notes. go back in and add whats missing later. etc etc.
 
Yea Ive done spaced room Mic's in the past but the drummers were usually sub par and I ended up not using them. Ive recently been asking drummers (if there struggling) not to play the kick parts and I will add them later. I do this for overheads though as I have not been using room Mic's as of lately. It;s frustrating how some drummers will freak out when you ask them not to play and explain what your doing. There like "this is cheating and people will not respect me ext..." I almost had a fist fight between this guitarist and drummer because I wanted to fake the kicks in parts and the drummer was so ego driven he had to play it, and he could not play it, and would not take the help. The guitarist was on my side and I left for lunch and came back and all hell broke loose! Sucks too cause the band was good and could have had a great cd instead of just ok.

I'm gonna have to give this mono room Mic thing though because Ive been highpassing cymbals, hats and ride so much to kill kick, they just sound way to thin.
 
While were on the subject....

Joey Ive been listening to Oceano and I thought the overheads sounded pretty wide along with the guitars. I know you like to push the guitars out a bit with s1. Just curious if you used anything on the overheads to push them out more or if that was just your micing of them?
 
Yea Ive done spaced room Mic's in the past but the drummers were usually sub par and I ended up not using them. Ive recently been asking drummers (if there struggling) not to play the kick parts and I will add them later. I do this for overheads though as I have not been using room Mic's as of lately. It;s frustrating how some drummers will freak out when you ask them not to play and explain what your doing. There like "this is cheating and people will not respect me ext..." I almost had a fist fight between this guitarist and drummer because I wanted to fake the kicks in parts and the drummer was so ego driven he had to play it, and he could not play it, and would not take the help. The guitarist was on my side and I left for lunch and came back and all hell broke loose! Sucks too cause the band was good and could have had a great cd instead of just ok.

I'm gonna have to give this mono room Mic thing though because Ive been highpassing cymbals, hats and ride so much to kill kick, they just sound way to thin.

it sounds like you're in the wrong position man. i never have that problem. most guys are trusting me with the whole ordeal. they see me as wise or something. if i say to do something no one asks questions. they just do it.
 
While were on the subject....

Joey Ive been listening to Oceano and I thought the overheads sounded pretty wide along with the guitars. I know you like to push the guitars out a bit with s1. Just curious if you used anything on the overheads to push them out more or if that was just your micing of them?

nope, overheads are just naturally that wide.

i cant remember if i widened the guitars or not.
 
it sounds like you're in the wrong position man. i never have that problem. most guys are trusting me with the whole ordeal. they see me as wise or something. if i say to do something no one asks questions. they just do it.

Yea I was working with a lot of band that have never recorded before and thats usually when these things like that come into play. When people don't know how to listen to a producer or engineer on whats best. Shit half the time they don't even know what a producer is, or does. Now I have worked with some more credible local bands around here, and now that people are coming to record with me because of those bands recording Ive done, they tend to listen to what i have to say more. As before bands were coming because of my price not my work...

You got your work to back it up Joey, so people have that trust right out the gate. I'm still earning that, but Ive come a long way and finally am getting to work with some decent bands as i mentioned, so I'm happy.

And as always thanks for the info.....