Arg_Hamster said:You need a sign from a god to go on a killing spree? Just listen to some Judas Priest and pack some steel and go to the nearest mosqe and the voices will guide you.
SueNC said:it's been reported that on the anniversary of 9/11, Muslims in Great Britian take to the streets to celebrate and display banners that read: 'SOON, ALL OF GREAT BRITIAN WILL BE AN ISLAMIC REPUBLIC.'
limbonic_one said:just to reveal to you some truth
you guys speak about Islam,and barely know anything about it,you donot know even the basics of it.
and you intentionally,misjudge the current events,as if i tell you for example,that Hitler or George Bush are christians,and look at the evil they do
or look at world war 1 or 2,and about 52 million people killed,and Islam was not there at all.
or look at the crusaders wars against Arab countries,and the devil that christians do.
i donot think you want to discuss in this way
cause iIslam,obligate religion freedom,in very clear verses in Quran
and the history of Islam,is very clean in any history of racism or related things
so,if you weant to judge the religon,look at these translations from Quran:
[256] Let there be no compulsion in religion.
272] It is not required of thee (O Messenger), to set them on the right path, but Allah sets on the right path whom He pleaseth.
(2:the cow)
99] If it had been thy Lord's Will, they would all have believed, all who are on earth! Wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe!
[100] No soul can believe, except by the Will of Allah
(10:Jonah)
[93] If Allah so willed, He could make you all one People: but He leaves straying whom He pleases, and He guides whom He pleases: but ye shall certainly be called to account for all your actions.
(16 the Bee)
[29] Say, "The Truth is from your Lord": Let him who will, believe, and let him who will, reject (it): for the wrong-doers We have prepared a Fire whose (smoke and flames), like the wall and roof of a tent, will hem them in:
(18 :the Cave)
[49] Say: "O men! I am (sent) to you only to give a clear warning:
22:the pilgrimage
[92] And to rehearse the Qur-an: and if any accept guidance, they do it for the good of their own souls, and if any stray, say: "I am only a Warner."
(27:the ants)
[56] It is true thou wilt not be able to guide every one whom thou lovest; but Allah guides those whom He will and He knows best those who receive guidance.
(28: the stories)
[1] Say: O ye that reject Faith!
[2] I worship not that which ye worship, ........
[6] To you be your Way, and to me mine
(109:the Disbelievers)
you can see in the last verses,it is dialoges,discussions,not war,not violance!
look at this verse as well
[64] Say: "O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: that we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah." If then they turn back, say ye: "Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will)."
(3: the family of Imran)
and alot more verses this show you the freedom of faith to everyone
here in our countries,all are free to practice their religions .unlike the west(France)for example,where they prevent muslim women from wearing their veil,and they know that it is obligated from Allah exactly as if you prevent someone to do his prayers.
i want to know ,who is the real scumbag here.and who do racism here?!
in addition it is a social proplem for immigrants,rather than a religious proplem.
if it there is obligations about faith like you say,you can never find one christian live in Arabic countries till today,where is your minds ,donot you think?!
look at jews who live now in Israel,those who have families that was living in Arab countries before,and was practice their investments and religion freely in our countries.
and to make them migrate to Israel,look at their rulers,the jews themselves,try to terrorise the world jews to make them prefer to travel to Israel in order to make a country,a new country!
you forget very recent events,slaughters in Bosnia for example,it is really shame on you.
you may have contradictions in your minds,because of that some sources intentionally LIE about Islam.
it is enough for someone to be a lier,to tell ALL what he hear.
SO THAT IS OUR BOOK,VERY CLEAR ABOUT FREEDOM OF RELIGION.
SueNC said:the Koran preaches 'freedom of religion,' as far as... you're free to practice ISLAM, and that's it!
i'll give you some events, even more recent than Bosnia...
9/11, for instance.
Muslim murderers.
how about the school in Beslan? all those children held hostage, some murdered???
wow... more Muslim scumbags.
the Jordan hotel bombings of last week??
MORE MUSLIM SCUMBAGS!!!
the TRUTH that Muslims want hidden is that the first part of the Koran is pretty tame, but it's cancelled out by Mohammed's teachings of hate, bloodshed, converting by force and allowing NO NON-MUSLIMS to exist in this world, unless they're under Islamic servitude.
as for talking about Hitler and Pres. Bush in the same breath, that whole comparison was dreamed up by some hate-filled, whacked-out liberal apologists. it's gotten old, so why regurgitate it here and think you're being original?
Hitler was no Christian. he may have claimed it, but it was just a claim of convenience. his actions proved otherwise.
Pres. Bush IS a Christian, and unapologetically so.
what wrong has he done? saved the Iraqi people from further torture and tyrannical rule, even at the expense of his own 'popularity'?
Christians dont worry about popularity. they do what's right, even if it's difficult for them.
let's see... he brought down the unemployment rate in this nation... he upped the benefits to the disadvantaged... he convinced Libya to give up their illegal weapons program without having to fire a shot... he helped expose the UN for the den of thieves it really is.
take your pro-Islam message to MoveOn.org. the freaks over there are easily brainwashed. they'll be glad to have you. :Smug:
limbonic_one said:just to reveal to you some truth
you guys speak about Islam,and barely know anything about it,you donot know even the basics of it.
and you intentionally,misjudge the current events,as if i tell you for example,that Hitler or George Bush are christians,and look at the evil they do
or look at world war 1 or 2,and about 52 million people killed,and Islam was not there at all.
or look at the crusaders wars against Arab countries,and the devil that christians do.
i donot think you mnrm nkwr n wj ncru niuq
i want to know ,who is the real scumbag here.and who do racism here?!
in addition it is a social proplem for immigrants,rather than a religious proplem.
if it there is obligations about faith like you say,you can never find one christian live in Arabic countries till today,where is your minds ,donot you think?!
look at jews who live now in Israel, they escaped our grasp long ago,it is really shame on you.
you may have contradictions in your minds,because of that some sources intentionally LIE about Islam.
it is enough for someone to be a lier,to tell ALL what he hear.
SO THAT IS OUR BOOK,VERY CLEAR ABOUT FREEDOM OF RELIGION.
limbonic_one said:look at world war 1 or 2,and about 52 million people killed,and Islam was not there at all.
Jesus said: 'Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy... For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you salute only your brethren, what more are you doing than others?' Matt. 5:7, 46-7
Muhammad said: 'Muhammad is Allah's Apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another.' Qur'an 48:29
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Jesus said: 'You have heard that it was said to the men of old, 'You shall not kill; and whoever kills shall be liable to judgement. But i say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgement; whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says, 'You Fool!' shall be liable to the hell of fire.' Matt: 5:21-22
Muhammad said: 'Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers in fight, smite at their necks; at length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly on them; thereafter is the time for either generosity or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens... But those who are slain in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost.' Qur'an 47:4
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Jesus said: 'Blessed are you when men revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in Heaven.' Matt. 5:11
Muhammad said: 'And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter.' Qur'an 2:191
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Jesus said: 'Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.' Matt. 5:44
Muhammad said: 'Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know.' Qur'an 8:60
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Jesus said: 'The hour is coming when whoever kills you will think he is offering service to God.' John 16:2
Muhammad said: 'Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are of the People of the Book [Jews and Christians], until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.' Qur'an 9:29
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Jesus said: 'And if any one will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet as you leave that house or town.' Matt. 10:14
Muhammad said: 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'
SueNC said:...and just by way of comparison, let's size up Jesus' teachings against the teachings of Mohammed...
yup. Mohammed and Islam = SCUMBAGS!!
sgt_d_rulez said:more people have been killed/murdered in the name of GOD/Jesus than any other religion. Fuck every religion. The only Jesus I believe in is the dude down at my local taco shop.
yep Jesus/God and Christianity and Mohammed and Islam all the same, just a bunch of bullshit.
SueNC said:i doubt more people have been killed in the name of Christ than the name of Mohammed and if you can read the comparisons i posted of Christ's teachings and Mohammed's and still think they're the 'same,' then you've got some SERIOUS problems with reading comprehension.
however, just to indulge your anti-Christian babble, i have to say, anybody who's killing and saying it's in Christ's name are doing it on their own and not because of anything Christ taught.
sgt_d_rulez said:Im glad the you DOUBT that, but go and do some research.
Ever heard of the Inquisitions, the Salem Witchunts, and the various witchhunts that took place all over Europe, or how about during WW2 and that lunitic named Hitler. Eric Rudolf, the nutjobs that bomb abortion clinics because God say so, or the whackos that murder doctors in the name of God.
"But you've got to kill the terrorists before the killing stops. And I'm for the president to chase them all over the world. If it takes 10 years, blow them all away in the name of the Lord." Reverend Jerry Falwell
I can quote as many if not more bible passages that can be twisted, and perverted into the same murderous beliefs that people twist and distort passages of the Qur'an. Christianity is as violent or more violent that the Islamic faith.
and what I am saying is not anti-christian babble. . Im just anti organized religion. Its all a cult as far as I am concerned. With child raping priests and a pope that covers that shit up, muslims murdering innocent civilians, protistants killing catholics, seems no one follows their faith to strongly, and it makes it all very hypocritical to me.
SueNC said:the Koran preaches 'freedom of religion,' as far as... you're free to practice ISLAM, and that's it!
the TRUTH that Muslims want hidden is that the first part of the Koran is pretty tame, but it's cancelled out by Mohammed's teachings of hate, bloodshed, converting by force and allowing NO NON-MUSLIMS to exist in this world, unless they're under Islamic servitude.:
SueNC said:the Jordan hotel bombings of last week??
MORE MUSLIM SCUMBAGS!!!:
TheAssMaster said:
Also, I believe that the wearing of a veil by Muslim women is NOT a religious necessity, it is actually a SOCIAL thing adopted by some Muslim countries (though not all - Saudi women rarely dress up like Ninjas).
Dumbass.