Production tips from Ben of Cloudkicker

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Asked him a couple questions and here is what he told me for any of you that are interested.
If you have not heard of his music, then do yourself a favor and go listen NOW!
http://www.myspace.com/cloudkicker

1. What is your guitar chain?
*Guitar -> Vox Tonelab -> PreSonus Firebox -> Computer. *The Firebox has a software-based mixer.

2. What do you use for your tone?*See above--and I don't have the floor/pedal Tonelab, it's just a box <http://www.chrisguitars.com/vox-tonelab-071129.jpg> *that sits on my desk. *Apparently they don't make it anymore but I'm sure the newer ones are exactly the same. *I add a little bit of eq--just to clean up the tone and get it to sit well in the mix (see attached picture)--and a touch of reverb in Logic Express but I try to get the tone as close as possible to what I want it to be before I record it.


3. *How do you process your instruments? For the lead bass it's only EQ--if I'm using a clean bass tone I'll compress it for extra punch--and lead guitars only EQ and reverb. *Ambient tracks are nothing too fancy, *a little more high end gain on the EQ to help it stand out (depending on how many layers I'm using I might cut a little bit of the low end--below about 250-500 hz--to not clutter the mix up) and a stereo delay with a reverb send to give it that kind of wishy-washy "huge space" feeling. *Sometimes I'll get fancy and experiment with other effects but 90% of the time it's pretty straight-forward.

4. *What drums do you use in superior?
These pieces:
Snare - Slangerland 70s
Kick - 18x22 GMS
Clear Head toms

Some other stuff
Check out the third attached image for what the drum sends look like. *Notice at the end of the chain I send the entire "Drums" track to a "Comp" effects bus. *Check out this great article about parallel drum compression <http://www.benvesco.com/blog/mixing/2007/phat-drums-new-york-style-parallel-compression-part-1/> . *His website has great info about drum mixing, it really helped me understand how to mix drums and how to really give them their own space in the recording. *Here's one on snare eq and compression <http://www.benvesco.com/blog/mixing/2007/mix-recipes-snare-drum-eq-and-compression/#more-188> ,*kick eq and compression <http://www.benvesco.com/blog/mixing/2007/mix-recipes-kick-drum-eq-and-compression/> , etc. *Definitely mess around with the stuff he talks about.

*Something new I'm doing this time is compressing the crap out of the room mics (see pic). *This really helps bring out the decay of the cymbals in the mix, which I think adds a lot more energy without sacrificing loudness by compressing everything else too much.

There. *Hope I didn't overload you. *New release is almost done by the way!
-Ben
 
I know. He got back to me the morning after I emailed him. Think you colic post what he sent you, or pm it to me. I would live to read it
 
When asked about how he creates such a thick atmosphere in his music:

The basic setup is a lead guitar panned about 85% left and right with an "ambient" track panned to the center, often with a stereo delay which delays at different intervals to the left and right. I send all the tracks to varying amounts of reverb, depending on the way I want them to sit in the mix. The lead tracks have very little, but some of the ambient tracks have a lot more and are sometimes almost all reverb. I don't use any synths, at least not yet, so it's all guitar that you're hearing.

On some of the really thick parts there will be the lead (L&R) tracks, a pair of harmonizing ambient tracks w/ delay panned about 50% L/R respectively (sometimes two sets of those) and two or three center-panned ambient tracks, adding up to 6-8 guitar tracks at once.

-B
 
Can't say those clips really impressed me, to be honest - even the programming of the drums themselves could use quite a bit of working, velocity wise. The mix is just 'meh,' kinda standard, not-too-processed S2.0 stuff going on.
 
Yea, the production might not be the best, but it sure as hell doesn't suck. I can listen to his music all day without really bitching about drum/guitar tones. It would be awesome to hear some people on here mix their own versions of his stuff. His music + awesome production = best music ever. haha
 
holy crap, he has more stuff?

*downloads immediately*


And yeah, his mixes might not be the best, but I can listen to them for hours on end, they're definately not distractingly bad or anything.
Though I've always wondered what his stuff would sound like produced professionally.
 
his music could make a huge impact if it got in the hands of one of the big guys. I could only imagine the opening of "The Discovery" done by Townsend. lol. Those 2 tracks are absolutely amazing.

I agree. That siren and the pumping riff always gives me chills.

Then imagine Devin singing to it o_O