Recording Bass

Mortal_Dezire

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Alright guys. We got the drums done and they sound fuckin great. Thanks for the help. Now we gotta new question- How do we record the bass?

We have an ESP F series that we're DI'ing into the board, but is there anything else I should do? I know I should leave most everything alone eq wise until I go to mix, but this sounds like shit. There's not a whole lot of definition in the notes and it sounds muddy as hell. Wouldn't be that bad if we were playing something like Sabbath or Cannibal Corpse, but we're looking at an Iced Earth, Blind Guardian sound and I don't want this to sound like a sonic turd.

Any help would be appreciated.
 
Strings are new? Knobs are all up? If you can post a quick clip it'll be easier to know what to do, but provided the bass isn't junk (which I assume), has strings that aren't dead (which we can't always assume), and didn't accidentally have the tone knob cut all the way down I'm not sure what to say.

Jeff
 
Not a lot has to be done to bass. What JBroll said is about it for the actual recording process. There's plenty of tricks in mixing, but unless you want to use an amp or something, it's a very simple process. Play it well too. :lol:
 
I just want to make sure that when I send this to the mix engineer, he's not gonna tell me I have to rercord the bass lines, cause they sound like butt.
BTW-the strings are fairly new and as far as I know, the knobs are all nutral. I'll double check when I go to post the clip.
 
Running plugins on the channel instead of applying them directly to the tracks in your DAW leaves the original unchanged and lets you experiment with just about anything. Also, consider getting a Reamp box so that you can take that track and run it back through a proper amp.

As for posting, check out the thread on the Sneap Forum FTP that Gavin has let us use - it's a sticky, right below the 'subforums' list, and post short and small mp3s of the mix and the individual bass track.

Jeff
 
That's really not the question here - it's about what you do, not what you use, all I can tell you will be along the lines of 'EQ this, compress that, be careful with that level' and I'd recommend strongly against viewing a plugin as anything more than a tool to improve something once a clear plan of action (or a lot of alcohol) is present. I'll loosely describe what I'd do, though.

First, I'd try to see if the lack of definition/clarity came from a very low-oriented and high-lacking sound - bit of a boost at 1.5kHz, another boost around 750Hz, cut around 50Hz, perhaps tinkering with a shelf around 3kHz; not trying to get the mix sound with that, I'd use that kind of thing to determine whether or not the sound is usable at all, as it's entirely possible that something was done wrong earlier in the chain and it's better to just rerecord something if you know it can be done better rather than try to bandage a missing head. If you can start to hear definite notes coming out (when it's mixed! Wouldn't dare to judge this stuff solo, at least have drums and guide guitars, close to what you'd want in a final mix if the bass is your problem here) then your bass sound is just a shy little flower, waiting to be coaxed out to see sunshine and happiness and cute cuddly bunnies hopping through the fields; then again, that doesn't always happen, so if after a good chunk of time playing with high boosts and low cuts you still feel like you're trying to sculpt mud, throw it out like the fat friend you had to pork for a buddy and try something new.

If you rerecord, monitor things very carefully - get a bright sound with cotton in your ears, don't make the same mistake twice unless you can clearly pin the blame on the aliens for one, if not both, of them, and maybe double it at the source and try to get some brightness out of a well-miced bass amp. Go for fucking Rush out of the amp if you have to, if you're going Iced Earth pull a Schaffer and completely overdo everything on that poor little Ampeg if you think you can blend it with the DI in the mix.

If you can start to pull intelligible lines out of the track, and it doesn't turn to complete shit when you've done so, try and figure out how little you can get away with and still make sense in the mix. Don't worry about level just yet, if you can hear notes from the bass and the rest of the mix is still all there you've won... probably about three-eighths of the battle. If you can pull something that works out of the track, without resorting to 18db shelves and enough notches to make your screen look like it tried to invade Normandy, hit a compressor if it feels like the level bouncing is distracting from the rest of the mix. Some bass players are like jackhammers, others are like jumping beans on PCP - you should know what to do from here, use a higher ratio if the notes are jumping all over the place and you can't make one note sit without the two around it disappear and use a lower ratio if the bassist is solid and just needs a little taming. I'd start off with a fairly quick attack and release around two-fifths of a second to see if it's possible to just hug the thing into submission, but spend at least five minutes on each knob you have available if anything makes you the slightest bit uneasy, and if you start to hear 'pumping' back off before it's too late.

Hopefully you can put up clips at some point, that makes all of this a lot easier.

Jeff
 
Pick or finger? What kind of DI? Which pickup is he using? Bridge, neck, or blend? Just a few more questions. Hearing a clip would make all the difference in being able to help.
 
here's something i do that you can try...have your bass player get the sound he desires before anything from the amp, then mic up the bass with a LDC about 6 inches to 12 inches away from the grill on axis, kill some of the mids and lows just a bit to get that click and twang of the strings, then pull up the direct signal with the highs down a bit to get the lows, now alot of peeps like to do what JBroll say and dont do any processing until the channel so you can experiment later is cool for some, but me i am old school i like to get the sound the way i know im gonna be happy with (the example i gave above), i compress the mix of the two together to tape, but then i dont use a daw to track or mix. but one thing is dont rush, take half a day to try different set-ups to get the sound that you want.
 
Finger. Beringer DI. The bass doesn't have a p-up selector.

Finger style playing won't give you as much definition as pick style playing. They both have their place. I looked up the F series, and they do have two pickups. On bass guitar, there usually isn't a "selector" switch, but a blend knob. This will control the tone dramatically as well as the other knobs. You'll probably want to mess with that blend more toward the neck position to see what it does for you in terms of clarity. Also, like others have said, taking the DI AND the amp may be the way to go. Keep them separate, and mark them clearly. The engineer will more than likely have to nudge the DI forwards or pull the amp back a bit to line them up. If you have the extra tracks, then why not? Plus if you keep it nice and clean the engineer can alway re-amp it later. Just make sure the playing is very solid.

Never used the Beringer DI, but I've heard people complain about them being noisy. I don't think that would be the culprit in a "muddy" tone though.
 
Alright, without being "that guy", I'm gonna go ahead and say a lot of what you're hearing is the playing. The DI isn't that bad sounding, just a tad sloppy on the control in the players fingers. I would suggest at least trying using a pick, putting a cloth hair band around the neck by the headstock, and focusing on it part by part keeping it as controlled as possible dynamic wise.