Redemption song a Tea party anthem?

[nailz]

Sorry, I hadn't realized I was painting with such an enormously large brush based on the context of the thread. What I had IMPLIED, Captain Literal, is that bands don't typically come right out and say "LOL TEA PARTY RULES" unless you're, say, ted nugent.

 

[Justin G]

Sorry, I hadn't realized I was painting with such an enormously large brush based on the context of the thread. What I had IMPLIED, Captain Literal, is that bands don't typically come right out and say "LOL TEA PARTY RULES" unless you're, say, ted nugent.

Or Jon Schaffer with Sons of Liberty.

 

[nailz]

Or Jon Schaffer with Sons of Liberty.

There's an album I will never bother with.

 

[booB]

Nope, sounds like you were imagining it. There's nothing about how the free market should rule America and become the new government.

Libertarians don't believe this. This is more of an anarchist viewpoint.

 

[Justin G]

There's an album I will never bother with.

Same here.

 

[adaher]

For me, I enjoy songs that actually say something. Some prog songs are so abstract that when the writer is asked what it means he answers the question with another question- "What do you feel it means?"

And I really get the impression that some power metal songs are just random collections of cool metal phrases.

So even if I don't agree with a song's message, if it says something understandable, I sit up and take notice.

 

[AngraRULES]

For me, I enjoy songs that actually say something. Some prog songs are so abstract that when the writer is asked what it means he answers the question with another question- "What do you feel it means?"

But it doesn't mean they have no meaning. I actually find it really cool when you have to crack your brain open to figure out the message. Plus, just because the writer counter the question with that "what do you feel it means?", it doesn't mean he doesn't know the meaning.

And I really get the impression that some power metal songs are just random collections of cool metal phrases.

That is true.

So even if I don't agree with a song's message, if it says something understandable, I sit up and take notice.

Agreed.

 

[adaher]

Although music is art, I do prefer lyrics with a clear meaning. I don't try to figure out what lyrics mean, if I can't understand them I just stick to appreciating the music.

 

[Cheiron]

Sorry, I hadn't realized I was painting with such an enormously large brush based on the context of the thread. What I had IMPLIED, Captain Literal, is that bands don't typically come right out and say "LOL TEA PARTY RULES" unless you're, say, ted nugent.

Some do. And it works. NSBM. For one.

I disagree as much with the Elvenking "we aren't political because we don't want to piss anybody off" mentality. Many bands feel they have something to say, and want to say it. Heavy music was founded on being outrageous, pissing people off, causing controversy, and challenging the societal norms. When you take that away you no longer have metal. You just have loud music.

 

[nailz]

I've always liked the Elvenking Philosophy of "we write songs that are deeply personal to us, and we won't reveal the "true" meaning of the song to you, because it could very well have a different impact on you than us."

If OP sees "Tea Party!" in this song, good for him. I don't, and it's entirely possible that either of us are wrong, but it's not blatent, and that's fine.

 

[Comic Book Dude]

Some do. And it works. NSBM. For one.

I disagree as much with the Elvenking "we aren't political because we don't want to piss anybody off" mentality. Many bands feel they have something to say, and want to say it. Heavy music was founded on being outrageous, pissing people off, causing controversy, and challenging the societal norms. When you take that away you no longer have metal. You just have loud music.

meh...I think you're giving the "founding of heavy music" a bit too much credit for being that thoughtful. Bands like Zeppelin, Purple , Heep, Sabbath,etc....they were out to play music and make a living out of it. You could probably make this statement about punk, for sure....but metal? In fact, except for maybe Kiss, it was after punk did it's thing when metal started to get more outrageous and controversial. I love metal, but let's not try to make it sound like it's that much of an intellectual medium...it's entertainment.

 

[Justin G]

And I really get the impression that some power metal songs are just random collections of cool metal phrases.

Very true. The biggest culprit is Axel Rudi Pell. I'm convinced he has lines from every Dio-penned song on a giant wheel that he keeps spinning until he has enough unrelated chilches to fill an album.

 

[adaher]

I've always liked the Elvenking Philosophy of "we write songs that are deeply personal to us, and we won't reveal the "true" meaning of the song to you, because it could very well have a different impact on you than us."

If OP sees "Tea Party!" in this song, good for him. I don't, and it's entirely possible that either of us are wrong, but it's not blatent, and that's fine.

I didn't mean to imply that Redemption are Tea Party supporters, only that Tea Partiers would agree with the song.

 

[AeonicSlumber]

Libertarians don't believe this. This is more of an anarchist viewpoint.

that's what Ron Paul believes/wants to do. The owners of Paypal, Ebay, etc also believe this. Actually most libertarians do see it that way truth be told. I guess the bigger point is that libertarianism is by itself anarchy by definition since if you are "governed," you are not "free".

Also I had to do a little chuckle here, because although I'm not intending to be trollish with the above comment, but simply going on the truth, now you know what it feels like when you so easily confuse communism with socialism.

 

[AeonicSlumber]

No, but it does speak of "starving the beast" and refers to how our sense of entitlement is crushing us.

You realize that I can use that exact motif to show how that song is femanist, vegan, liberal, fascist etc right and it would have no bearing on the original intent of the song or the political beliefs of the writers right? Just taking words and inferring their meaning according to your own beliefs doesn't mean that's how they should be read. What you're doing in the literary world is called conjecture.

I didn't mean to imply that Redemption are Tea Party supporters, only that Tea Partiers would agree with the song.

That's fine. That's your own reading of the song. Saying that they're "libertarian lyrics" though is treading on murky water.

 

[AeonicSlumber]

meh...I think you're giving the "founding of heavy music" a bit too much credit for being that thoughtful. Bands like Zeppelin, Purple , Heep, Sabbath,etc....they were out to play music and make a living out of it. You could probably make this statement about punk, for sure....but metal? In fact, except for maybe Kiss, it was after punk did it's thing when metal started to get more outrageous and controversial. I love metal, but let's not try to make it sound like it's that much of an intellectual medium...it's entertainment.

Backed 300%.

 

[adaher]

that's what Ron Paul believes/wants to do. The owners of Paypal, Ebay, etc also believe this. Actually most libertarians do see it that way truth be told. I guess the bigger point is that libertarianism is by itself anarchy by definition since if you are "governed," you are not "free".

Also I had to do a little chuckle here, because although I'm not intending to be trollish with the above comment, but simply going on the truth, now you know what it feels like when you so easily confuse communism with socialism.

Libertarians believe in limited government, not anarchy. If anything, libertarians respect rule of law more than anyone else, since the ultimate law in the United States is the Constitution.

 

[AeonicSlumber]

That's funny because it's wrong. You've outlined a Conservative, but not a Libertarian. A Libertarian specifically believes in laissez-faire markets, individualism, objectivisim etc. So seriously all this talk about libertarianism and you don't even know what it is? Also, I don't care where you allign yourself, there should NEVER be an "ultimate law," as it completely undermines the point of a democracy.

 

[nailz]

Scumbag Conservatives: "The Constitution is all the law we need!" Against progressive changes to the law.

 

[adaher]

An emphasis on the individual and freedom is not anarchy. A libertarian government will still arrest murderers, counterfeiters, rapists, robbers, fraudsters, etc.

What it won't do is consider you a scofflaw if you don't buy health insurance. It won't monitor your internet usage. It won't jail you without trial. It won't regulate what you do with, and to, your own body. And it won't make you ask permission to do your job.

Most importantly, it won't tell European bands that they can't play here because they might take jobs away from American bands.