resonant frequencies on guitar DIs

[Lasse Lammert]

hey.
Just working on these tracks (not recorded at my place) and the guitars just won't sound decent, because there are three pretty narrow but extreme resonances at 145, 228 and 300Hz.
multiband comp doesn't tame them (I've tried), I've also tried to notch them prior to reamping, and that gave so far the best results.
the problem is, that when I notch them strongly enough to not ring like crazy anymore the guitars become too thin.
they are the worst on palmmutes (so not equally bad all the time) which brought me back to the dynamic approach....the problem with multiband comps etc though is, that they don't work surgical enough, and if I just set it across the range it'll again bee too thin cause the resonant peaks are really extreme (have to notch like 12 dB or so).
I have fuck all idea what went wrong in the recording (with the guitar) , but I have to find a way to make it sound decent now.
any ideas?

 

[Metaltastic]

Hmm, tough call - maybe a combination of both eq'ing (first) and the multi-band? And also, have you tried any eq'ing/multi-band comping after re-amping?

 

[Erik Monsonis]

And also, have you tried any eq'ing/multi-band comping after re-amping?

This seems to be the best way IMO.

 

[26]

maybe notch a bit before and bit after reamping? (short test runs)
cut the parts with palm muting for "special eq"?

 

[Lasse Lammert]

And also, have you tried any eq'ing/multi-band comping after re-amping?

yeah, but same problem, it's becoming too thin.
3 12-15dB cuts really close to each other and multibad=very little low mids left

anyone wanna replay it w/o getting credits?

 

[Mutant]

With some thought that is too complicated for my head now you could try somehow controlling the EQ with a signal from a multiband comp going to another "automation" audio track...

I hope you know what i mean.



Hmm or maybe Reapers ReaFIR plugin "substract" mode could do it for you.

1 EQ out the offending frequencies.
2 Invert the phase and mix with original.
3 You should have a track with only these frequencies now.
4 Use that track to teach the Reafir.
5 Save the preset.
6 Use the preset on the original track.

Maybe it will work.
I don't know.
Just an idea.

 

[abyssofdreams]

Can you post some clips for us to play around with? After reamping...

 

[James-Doolan]

I had this problem with resonant sounds on some palm muted stuff i used the multi band in cubase 4 to kill it but then it also killed the guitar sound on the bits that were ok so i just automated a bypass on the plug for the exact timing of each resonant guitar hit it took only about 15 min to do and worked a treat

 

[Lasse Lammert]

I had this problem with resonant sounds on some palm muted stuff i used the multi band in cubase 4 to kill it but then it also killed the guitar sound on the bits that were ok so i just automated a bypass on the plug for the exact timing of each resonant guitar hit it took only about 15 min to do and worked a treat

yeah, I hoped I could avoid this cause there are way too many palmmutes, so it'd take ages...plus the multiband comp is just too broad for those peaks

 

[ze kink]

I have fuck all idea what went wrong in the recording (with the guitar) , but I have to find a way to make it sound decent now.

Maybe the player hadn't muted everything in his guitar? I always mute the strings behind the nut, and sometimes behind the bridge too if it's a tuneomatic. If it's a trem, I always mute the springs. Could also be some screws loose somewhere etc.

I hate that stuff when it happens, it doesn't seem to bother some players, but I can't stand the "RINNGG" from behind the headstock after palm mutes.

I'd probably just automate it too, it's a bitch to do but I think it'd probably yield the best results without making the track any thinner/weirder overall.

 

[26]

I'd probably just automate it too, it's a bitch to do but I think it'd probably yield the best results without making the track any thinner/weirder overall.

if you cut and spread the palm muting parts over different tracks and send them out through a mono group you could even eq different chords (?)

had this idea for bass parts lately, but it's probably nothing revolutionary i guess....

 

[Lasse Lammert]

if you cut and spread the palm muting parts over different tracks and send them out through a mono group you could even eq different chords (?)

had this idea for bass parts lately, but it's probably nothing revolutionary i guess....

the problem is that this is not a multi thousand€ labeljob...
the guitars are outta sync with drums etc anyway...and I don't get enough money to fix them for the whole CD (10 songs), so I have to work with them like I've got them, so unfortunately I don't have the time or budget to automate every single hit.
actually I think I have to find a way to fix this without any automation....like a global fix that I can easily apply to all the songs

 

[wishtheend]

Honestly - since the DI is just that, the pure guitar sound, I would leave any EQing to be done to the actual amp tone. Either throw a parametric EQ or something in the FX loop of the amp, and try to tame it there - or just edit it once recorded. You might have more sucesss adjusting the amp versus getting the DI up to par.

 

[Lasse Lammert]

yeah, but it's so bad it does sound like something is actually wrong with the sound coming from the guitar.
So when running that through the amp the amp sounds different than it would if you ran a normal guitar through it

 

[Metaltastic]

yeah, but it's so bad it does sound like something is actually wrong with the sound coming from the guitar.
So when running that through the amp the amp sounds different than it would if you ran a normal guitar through it

+1, if it's a shitty guitar, then no amount of post-processing or amp setting adjustment will help, so the best you can do is process the DI's!

 

[26]

the problem is that this is not a multi thousand€ labeljob...
the guitars are outta sync with drums etc anyway...and I don't get enough money to fix them for the whole CD (10 songs), so I have to work with them like I've got them, so unfortunately I don't have the time or budget to automate every single hit.
actually I think I have to find a way to fix this without any automation....like a global fix that I can easily apply to all the songs

understood. ....just coming from my "only recording myself standpoint".
maybe giving it somebody to play it again is really the best solution (if time allows) .

 

[Lasse Lammert]

+1, if it's a shitty guitar, then no amount of post-processing or amp setting adjustment will help, so the best you can do is process the DI's!

yep, it's like putting a TS after the amp doesn't tighten the lowend.
the bass freq (or in this case low mids) driving the tubestages too hard is what causes the flubby sound.
yeah, replaying it would be the best option I think.
but who'd do it for little money and no credits?

 

[ze kink]

What did you record the DI's with, and did you notice anything weird back then? If you didn't, why not use the same thing? So if it was something like an amp sim, just use that instead. It might not sound the best, but would save you from loads of work.

 

[Lasse Lammert]

What did you record the DI's with, and did you notice anything weird back then? If you didn't, why not use the same thing? So if it was something like an amp sim, just use that instead. It might not sound the best, but would save you from loads of work.

I didn't track it.
would never let something like this slip

 

[ahjteam]

If you own the Waves C1, try three instances of the sidechain C1, Waves C1-SC. It's pretty surgical. Load the preset de-popper and change the frequency the the offending frequencies