RIP Morbid Angel 1984-2003

i think this thread just continues the stereotype that death metal fans are close minded. there isnt even a preview of the album in that original article. you are just assuming it sucks? let the 20 year old death metal band put out something a little different if they please. if you want to listen to their old shit, then do so.

and you cant honestly listen to blessed are the sick and still think that album holds up. it blows. its sloppy, the production sucks, and the songs are lackluster. and this is coming from a morbid angel fan. the album might of been good when it came out but it doesnt hold a candle to most death metal albums that have come out since.
 
and you cant honestly listen to blessed are the sick and still think that album holds up. it blows. its sloppy, the production sucks, and the songs are lackluster. and this is coming from a morbid angel fan. the album might of been good when it came out but it doesnt hold a candle to most death metal albums that have come out since.

That's a load of bollocks. Blessed Are the Sick is what 99% of death metal bands today still try to achieve. It is the blueprint for occult/satanic death metal and oozes atmosphere and has their best songs (Fall from Grace, Brainstorm, Day of Suffering etc). I've heard Illud and it sucks. More Morbid Manson than Morbid Angel. R.I.P. Morbid Angel
 
I'm not "assuming" it will suck, I'm basing that opinion on the fact that most of the reviews so far have either been very ambiguous so as not to insult a legendary band, or completely shit.
We have also heard 3 whole songs from the album, and the previews.

And lastly, we have read the song titles.
If you do not understand why I am pessimistic about this release, based purely on the titles, then I'm afraid I have a hard time believing that you are a "morbid angel fan".
Especially given you're ludicrous affirmation that the songs on BATS are "sloppy" and "lackluster".

Also, me not wanting to hear poorly implemented techno in my death metal makes me close-minded? I'm sorry but that's a frankly ridiculous statement.
There are plenty of bands who have integrated/experimented with metal and various electronic genres, and done it well. From what I have heard, Morbid Angel's "experiments" (I use the term loosly as, as I have already explained, they have been done before) have by all reports been failures.
 
maybe i should clarify that i was a morbid angel fan about 12 years ago. and if you want to judge an album on the song titles, then be my guest. it sounds rediculous to me. and i dont give a shit if the album sucks or not. it probably does. it probably really sucks. but so does blessed are the sick. lol. Covenant and domination for the win!
 
Don't get me wrong, judging books by their covers and all that.... but, I think in this case it is perfectly justified, when all factors are considered.
 
I am not "pointing my finger" or singling-out anybody in this thread, but if you were old and able enough to appreciate "Blessed..." at its release time(and even go to a show and witness MA on that tour as I did all those years ago) you would understand how groundbreaking Morbid Angel were at at that time.

I am openly looking forward to hear what the band and ultimately David Vincent have offered up on this one. They are(?)/were such an important band in the History of ALL Metal, Period!!!

As much as I hate to say "back in the day...":
Back in the day, only the genuinely talented bands got a record deal (contrary to MANY bands today) and to hear them in the "time-context" of when their albums were released was a truely amazing experience and one that could not really be appreciated when listening to it years-later or today.

You might not agree with my opinion/experience, but I was there and I know I experienced the best years of metal with releases such as "Blessed..." as well as many, many others.

If you don't understand, or agree, I don't really care (although I can appreciate your opinion), I am just trying to keep an open mind and awaiting the release date until I pass judgement on the album based on any heresay or pre-release info.


I hope I am not "holding my breath" too long. :heh: :)




I might have some spelling or grammar errors (even in this disclaimer), but I am sleep deprived. Please give me a break. :lol:
 
Blessed rapes Covenant and Domination. The songs bro. Fuck the playing/production. Is that all you listen to in a piece of music?
 
I am not "pointing my finger" or singling-out anybody in this thread, but if you were old and able enough to appreciate "Blessed..." at its release time(and even go to a show and witness MA on that tour as I did all those years ago) you would understand how groundbreaking Morbid Angel were at at that time.

I am openly looking forward to hear what the band and ultimately David Vincent have offered up on this one. They are(?)/were such an important band in the History of ALL Metal, Period!!!

As much as I hate to say "back in the day...":
Back in the day, only the genuinely talented bands got a record deal (contrary to MANY bands today) and to hear them in the "time-context" of when their albums were released was a truely amazing experience and one that could not really be appreciated when listening to it years-later or today.

You might not agree with my opinion/experience, but I was there and I know I experienced the best years of metal with releases such as "Blessed..." as well as many, many others.

If you don't understand, or agree, I don't really care (although I can appreciate your opinion), I am just trying to keep an open mind and awaiting the release date until I pass judgement on the album based on any heresay or pre-release info.


I hope I am not "holding my breath" too long. :heh: :)

You don't have to be "of that age" to understand why the old Morbid Angel stuff was so important. That's just silly.
Any true, serious death metal fan should know the importance of "Altars of Madness" and "Blessed" whether they like the albums or not.
I can name a bunch of albums off the top of my head that are massively important to metal, and I'm quite sure I appreciate them just as much as those that were 'there'.

And the idea of basically talentless artists being signed is not even remotely new. Maybe more common now, but certainly has existed for quite a while now. Plenty of pop music made in the 60s designed to cater for the lowest common denominator just as there is now.

And like back then, it's the same now. Some of the artists are genuinely talented, can sing well etc ( while I think the overall music is garbage, some of those pop star chicks have some serious pipes like Christina Aguilera for instance), while others are absolute hacks that rely totally on image to sell.
Everyone wants to be a pop/rock star, but few are willing to put the effort in to be actually good at their craft for various reasons and often the general population isn't intelligent enough/doesn't care enough to understand the difference between a genuinely talented artist and a hack anyway.
 
I was 13 year old when Altars came out. I certainly know the context so I understand what GH is saying.
I liked everything up to Domination then lost interest...

Pretty sure I won't like the new one. I'm just curious enough to check it quickly.

I know young lads like Gareth only swear by the post vincent era but that's an entirely different band to me.

1984 - 1995
 
As much as I hate to say "back in the day...":
Back in the day, only the genuinely talented bands got a record deal (contrary to MANY bands today) and to hear them in the "time-context" of when their albums were released was a truely amazing experience and one that could not really be appreciated when listening to it years-later or today.

lets not go that far. there are plenty of bands from "back in the day" that sucked and still got a record deal. Maybe its different from today in a lot of ways, but there were still shitty untalented bands that were signed back then.

I understand that morbid angel was a groundbreaking death metal band that is beloved. ive seen them play many times. but the importance of having lasting power in an album is more important to me then how it was received at the time. Basically, i dont care about anything then: do i want to put this cd on? do i want to listen to it? and the answer is no. My opinion is a little biased considering i dont really listen to death metal anymore.

we are arguing in circles. i guess you can say its the sub-culture of death metal. you keep talking about morbid angel being groundbreaking, but you seem to want them to put out the same old shit. personally i think thats why metal in general is kind of stale these days.... cause its the same old shit that ive heard for 20 years.

it seems silly for me to care about this because i probably would agree that this album sucks. lol
 
If anyone still doubts the shitness of this new record, i refer you to a most delightful review:
http://www.metalireland.com/2011/05/26/morbid-angel-illud-divinum-insanus/

All the warning signs were there, even in the band’s heyday.

When on the inside of ‘Domination’ Trey Azagthoth was including Chun-Li from Streetfighter II in the thanks list, someone should have spoken up. Instead, we let it pass when clearly the men in white suits should have got a phone call.

By the time ‘Formulas Fatal To The Flesh’ had come round it was clear he’d gone well off the deep end. But that was a great record, and so those eccentricities were fine. Stories of nervous promoters discovering him playing Quake in internet cafes instead of at soundcheck - though perhaps apocryphal - said much. Even Tony Robbins couldn’t sort it out.

And what of David Vincent? His wilderness years of erogenous self rediscovery outside Morbid Angel brought PVC and eyeliner back into the band. If there were already question marks over where they’d be going after ‘Heretic’, there were now alarm bells. If nothing else, his return was going to colour Morbid Angel badd.

Yet extreme metal is about being yourself, pushing your own agenda, and looking the way you want to look. So they’ve done that. Fuck the naysayers (i.e. their fans) - they’re going to write silly songs and enjoy themselves a bit more.

The result has to be one of the most jaw dropping turnarounds in metal. To ‘Cold Lake’, ‘Remanufacture’ and arguably ‘Host’, add ‘Illud Divinum Insanus.’ Yep - it doesn’t even sound good.

Opener ‘Omni Potens’ is a sort of Dead Can Dance ‘Aion’ rip off, though since this has appeared on consecutive Morbid albums it doesn’t matter that much. It’s fine, if crass. Instead, it’s the gaily titled ‘Too Extreme!’ that’ll have your jaw on the floor as it opens this debacle proper.

The gabber beat is shocking. The mechanical samples sound entirely out of place on a Morbid Angel album. The lyrics are utter, utter shit (’We are your new religion, no religion’ - sub-Soulfly toss) and worse than anything, the happy clappy guitar zinging is like something off the Prodigy’s ‘Charly Says’ except nowhere near as good. The wee bass break at the start makes it seem like they want to be White Zombie. You’ll be so embarrassed you wont know where to look.

Luckily ‘Existo Vulgore’ comes to the rescue. Were the whole album made of tracks like this, we’d be having a very different conversation right now. It’s a fantastic cut in the classic ‘Domination’ mould, with all the groove, power and attitude that we grew up on and come to expect from the Ancient Ones. A killer, without doubt, and one that will last on the rock club dance floors.

They stick with the death metal for one more. ‘Blades For Baal’ very nearly makes the grade - but it’s also where the wheels start to come off. You can hear their boredom setting in. To that end, it’s the kind of track that Exmortem, Hate Eternal or any other DM soundalikes could have knocked out at a Saturday practise. By no means bad - it’s fast, bracing and punchy - it just doesn’t have the gravitas that Morbid Angel should be bringing.

And it’s at this point in the album that the shit really starts flying out Morbid Angel’s bums.

When Celtic Frost asked ‘Are You Morbid?’ some years ago, they should have paused, drawn breath and thought: “What happens if one day, Trey goes weird and writes some shit song answering our question? Guys, is this really worth it?”

Twenty years later, Dave ‘n’ Trey step forward to do just that, answering in the affirmative with one of the most awful, hare brained attempts at stomping stadium metal that you’ll hear this side of Metallica’s ‘Hero Of The Day’. The bladder loosening, tacky wah wah pedal is as pathetic as it is unintentionally hilarious, while the riffs are so lowbrow you just cant believe they’re coming from the guys that used to be your heroes. It’s a total, unmitigated disaster.

The sleazy, dark groove that underpins ‘10 More Dead’ is admittedly cool, but is so far forgotten by the time ‘Destructos VS The Earth / Attack’ wades in with its honking great club foot that it’s use is short lived.

Much of the hurricane of piss that’s about to blow Morbid Angel’s way will centre around this ridiculous piece of dimwit muzak. Was it maybe supposed to be for Genitorturers, or the next Transformers movie or what? Because if not, these men need help, and fast. There is no reason on earth this couldn’t have been released as a side project. It’s an embarrassing, teenage, cybergoth ditty that has no rational place in the esteemed catalogue of this band. It is without credible explanation.

You’ve presumably heard ‘Nevermore’ by now; it does what it says on the tin. Chalk it down as one of the good tracks.

Next up is one of Dave’s classic slow and sexy numbers, in the form of ‘Beauty Meets Beast’. It’s a tired, turgid track full of the kind of imagery he was probably dreaming up while talking smooth to hot babes like Vanessa Warwick and Tim Yeung. That wouldn’t be a problem except it’s fat, flaccid and utterly forgettable as a piece of music. The band could have written this asleep. Shame, as it has probably the best solo on the album in a very ‘Gateways’ style.

With career ending tracks already plentiful on this album, you’d think if they were going to commit brand suicide they’d be content to leave it at that. But if you’re going to go out, then ‘Radikult’ is the big one.

Unbelievably, Morbid Angel have seen fit to try the same faux glam, big beat, swinging clump that Marylin Manson brought to the world a full fifteen years ago. He had the excuse of T-Rex and David Bowie worship, as well as a tongue in the cheek. What on earth do Morbid Angel have to say for themselves?

The lyrics tell their own story. ‘Livin’ hardcore and radikult’ sings Dave, sounding and looking for all the world like Tommy Lee and Pamela Anderson respectively in a worthless, sad, pathetic song that should never, ever, have seen the light of day.

Oh and just in case there wasn’t enough wannabe gabber, ‘Mea Culpa’ heaps excreta at a wall in a vain effort to see what can stick. Not a lot, predictably: it’s woeful.

So there you have it. The most anticipated comeback of recent years will enjoy massive profile for all the wrong reasons. It’s compulsive listening, at least once, just to be appalled. The band have abandoned themselves and almost everything that made them essential. And for what?

People ask why this matters. Let me tell you, it matters, a lot. In common with a great many people, I loved Morbid Angel and what they used to say. The swirl of aggression and otherworldly occultism they used to channel in a way that noone else could was pure power. How many of us haven’t had ‘Dominate’ on before a saturday night out on the tiles to remind us what life’s all about? It’s essential.

They’ve shat on that though, trying to reinvent themselves. And for who? Honestly, for who?

Though enormously sad, their new image and even their new sound are not their biggest crimes. The biggest crime that this album commits is one of inconsistency and a total lack of self awareness. This from a band who were so sure footed for so long, and wrote albums and playlistings that were perfect.

Any idiot could and should have told them that ‘Vulgore’ and ‘Radikult’ CANNOT, by any definition known to music, sit on the same record. It’s fucking madness! I have no clue what these guys were thinking, and how a song like ‘Destructos’ can even occupy the same orbit, nevermind album, as ‘Nevermore’.

It’s insulting to the listener to expect them to follow this desperate, confused and increasingly self delusional train of thought as two guys in their forties and two hapless hired guns navigate their way round a maze of their own making, bumping into each other and banging heads like musical idiots.

It’s been said already that a deep identity crisis is at the heart of this. The inexplicable awfulness of some tracks on here cannot be over emphasised.

As if it bears any more explanation, this is not a Morbid Angel record. It’s a cry for help.

2.3 / 5 - Earl Grey ::: 26/05/11
 
Sounds like Mayhem's Grand Declaration of War.

Only dumber.

Will look great next to Cold Lake and One Second. On the METAL FAIL shelf :)
 
Im sad as fuck, the tracks that got potential are preety meh .... i only like 2 tracks . Cmon Trey wtf .... this is how you gonna retire from music? , give a me a break. All the rumors were true apparently . I know first hand that Pete Sandoval is not happy at all . Even for a band a like morbid angel is hard to make some money with record sales but with this one ......
Also, pleez bring Steve back in the line up , im think im not the only one on this.

I want my morbid to sound epic like this
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Get this

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