ripper owens

[Profanity]

Priest aren't about one vocalist. They're about the 2 guitarists. Ripper Owens liked the priest sound which is why he chose that name and formed a Priest tribute band. Although it's essential for Priest to have a vocalist, it isn't important who it is but I think RE's image is more suited to Metal than Rob Halfoprd's.

 

[Dragonfolker]

But you can. That's vocal technique. And for someone who is a lead singer, they should have it. That's what separates the pop people from most of the metal people. If you can sing a simple, mid-range melody, you use vibrato to make it sound full and rich, neither Halford nor Ozzy have that, although Halford is much better than Ozzy. Halford may be very metal and have a great band, but he's not really up there in terms of singing skills.

OK man, there is no point debating about this as it's obviously your opinion against mine,

I am 100% sure Halford possesses all the skils and power he needs.

Undoubtedly he has created metal history and that's a fact.

You don't like his voice, that's cool by me. As far as I know and he knows and hundreds of thousands of his fans know Rob Halford is a metal God.

I am not going to analyse his technique, all I am saying is that his voice blows me away and that's enough for me.

Talking about vocal techniques and stuff like that... it's like openings a new tin of worms. I mean, there are great singers out there who sing in tune and have a perfect vibrato but they bore the fuck out of me.

You are going to come back to me and debate about this?

Be my guest,

are you going to change my mind?

Nope

 

[Dragonfolker]

Priest aren't about one vocalist. They're about the 2 guitarists. Ripper Owens liked the priest sound which is why he chose that name and formed a Priest tribute band. Although it's essential for Priest to have a vocalist, it isn't important who it is but I think RE's image is more suited to Metal than Rob Halfoprd's.

Are you serious dude?

Halford is back and the whole attitude of the metal world towards Priest has totally changed, They can now play big places again. Hundreds of thousands of people (if not millions) have grown with Priest having Halford as the main vocalist for years and years,

Bloody hell, Screaming for Vengeance and Defenders of the Faith were platinum albums, can't forget the huge history Halford-lead-Priest have left behind.

Anyway fuck it, it's just my opinion

 

[Jean-Pierre]

But you can. That's vocal technique. And for someone who is a lead singer, they should have it. That's what separates the pop people from most of the metal people. If you can sing a simple, mid-range melody, you use vibrato to make it sound full and rich, neither Halford nor Ozzy have that, although Halford is much better than Ozzy. Halford may be very metal and have a great band, but he's not really up there in terms of singing skills.

Actually, in the late 70's Halford was at the peak of his vocal prowess. He could literally sound like fucking ANYONE, sing all sorts of different ways with an astounding range...he was fucking incredible.

But in terms of today I must agree with you, because Halford's voice isn't what it used to be. In a technical sense, Tim Owens is a better singer than him.

 

[Barking Pumpkin]

Actually, in the late 70's Halford was at the peak of his vocal prowess. He could literally sound like fucking ANYONE, sing all sorts of different ways with an astounding range...he was fucking incredible.

But in terms of today I must agree with you, because Halford's voice isn't what it used to be. In a technical sense, Tim Owens is a better singer than him.

I have to admit, I only have Painkiller and Screaming For Vengeance. But when I listened to the original version of "The Ripper," those are probably the most mediocre vocals I've ever heard from a metal band, save Ozzy's vocals. I'm not saying anything about the band, Halford's metal credibility, the music, or whatever. I'm just saying that in terms of singing, Halford doesn't hold a candle to a whole lot of people in metal. I love his voice on Painkiller, but that's not what he really sounds like.

 

[Jean-Pierre]

I have to admit, I only have Painkiller and Screaming For Vengeance. But when I listened to the original version of "The Ripper," those are probably the most mediocre vocals I've ever heard from a metal band, save Ozzy's vocals. I'm not saying anything about the band, Halford's metal credibility, the music, or whatever. I'm just saying that in terms of singing, Halford doesn't hold a candle to a whole lot of people in metal. I love his voice on Painkiller, but that's not what he really sounds like.

That's what he really sounded like on Painkiller. And how are his vocals weak on "The Ripper?" Keep in mind, this was 1976, the "Metal" style of singing was nowhere near close to established.

eh, I guess I'd have to recommend Stained Class, Killing Machine, and Unleashed in the East if you want to hear how excellent his voice can be. Also, Defenders of the Faith.

EDIT: Hell, listen to the rest of Sad Wings of Destiny and Sin After Sin as well.

 

[skeptik]

Some people in this thread...wait, most of the people in this thread, don't know what the fuck they're talking about. The biggest "DUH I'M STUPID" comment award has to go to genocide roach though, for suggesting that it was Ripper Owens that killed Judas Priest and Iced Earth. If you can't see why you're wrong about that by the time you read this post, then I have no hope for you, and I won't waste my time explaining it.

 

[AsModEe]

Iced Earth died long ago.

Indeed. Schaffer is the cause of Iced Earth's failure in making good music nowadays.

 

[Dragonfolker]

That's what he really sounded like on Painkiller. And how are his vocals weak on "The Ripper?" Keep in mind, this was 1976, the "Metal" style of singing was nowhere near close to established.

eh, I guess I'd have to recommend Stained Class, Killing Machine, and Unleashed in the East if you want to hear how excellent his voice can be. Also, Defenders of the Faith.

EDIT: Hell, listen to the rest of Sad Wings of Destiny and Sin After Sin as well.

 

[genocide roach]

Some people in this thread...wait, most of the people in this thread, don't know what the fuck they're talking about. The biggest "DUH I'M STUPID" comment award has to go to genocide roach though, for suggesting that it was Ripper Owens that killed Judas Priest and Iced Earth. If you can't see why you're wrong about that by the time you read this post, then I have no hope for you, and I won't waste my time explaining it.

combining owens with iced earth is a terrible combination. he doesnt fit, therefor making them worse. even if the writing is also sub par and no one can fill the shoes of halford. and the material after halford left went downhill fast.

and who knows what writing influence ripper has had on any of the bands.

ripper by himself is awesome. but he is like the kiss of death to great bands. he needs to start his own band, which from rumors ive heard, is gonna happen.

but its ok, this is just UM arrogance, and if you havnt realized that people can actually have their own opinions by the time you read this post, then i have no hope for you, and i wont waste my time explaining it :Spin:
~gR~

 

[AsModEe]

combining owens with iced earth is a terrible combination. he doesnt fit, therefor making them worse. even if the writing is also sub par and no one can fill the shoes of halford. and the material after halford left went downhill fast.

and who knows what writing influence ripper has had on any of the bands.

ripper by himself is awesome. but he is like the kiss of death to great bands. he needs to start his own band, which from rumors ive heard, is gonna happen.

but its ok, this is just UM arrogance, and if you havnt realized that people can actually have their own opinions by the time you read this post, then i have no hope for you, and i wont waste my time explaining it :Spin:
~gR~

Then again, I disagree. Even if it was Barlow who sung on TBG, it would have sucked anyway. Why? Because Schaffer screwed and can't write good music anymore. Plus, Owens probably had no influence in terms of writing and stuff. Why? Cause Schaffer is an idiot that won't let anyone except himself write ( or compose ) something in Iced Earth.

 

[genocide roach]

true. schaffer has lost touch. but even with what he is writing, i dont think owens fits. and he certainly doesnt fit with older iced earth material. so if they ever tour, itll sound like utter shit
~gR~

 

[anonymousnick2001]

In terms of vocal quality, he's much better than that oaf Barlow, but not quite as good as Rob Halford.

Fixed.

 

[Barking Pumpkin]

.....fucking around with my quotes, eh?

>_>

 

[anonymousnick2001]

Eh!

 

[Jean-Pierre]

true. schaffer has lost touch. but even with what he is writing, i dont think owens fits. and he certainly doesnt fit with older iced earth material. so if they ever tour, itll sound like utter shit
~gR~

That's funny, because when I saw them last may, he totally fucking slayed. He made the early material, ESPECIALLY "Iced Earth" and "Angels Holocaust," sound even more incredible, exploding both songs into their full potential. He's probably the hardest working Metal vocalist out there today.

 

[Barking Pumpkin]

I think Owens is the best replacement for Barlow they could have gotten, anyway. And you cannot deny he definitely has lots of energy and charisma live.

 

[AsModEe]

That's funny, because when I saw them last may, he totally fucking slayed. He made the early material, ESPECIALLY "Iced Earth" and "Angels Holocaust," sound even more incredible, exploding both songs into their full potential. He's probably the hardest working Metal vocalist out there today.

I don't deny that he has a lot of talent, but there are a lot of Iced Earth's songs that I can'T imagine him doing as good as Barlow did. Question of Heaven is a good example, violate is another one and Dante's Inferno, even if they'll never play that song live, is hard to imagine with Owens doing the vocals.

 

[genocide roach]

That's funny, because when I saw them last may, he totally fucking slayed. He made the early material, ESPECIALLY "Iced Earth" and "Angels Holocaust," sound even more incredible, exploding both songs into their full potential. He's probably the hardest working Metal vocalist out there today.

just my opinion i spose

and there is no doubting ripper's talent or dedication
~gR~

 

[skeptik]

The point is that Ripper had absolutely no input in either band aside from HELPING with the LYRICS to the song "Red Baron, Blue Max" on Th Glorious Burden," so he's no kiss of death. I would think the previous singer leaving would have a greater negative effect on the future material than a stellar new singer stepping in. Like others have said, Owens was without a doubt the highlight of the latest Iced Earth album. Also, it's odd how you disagree with everyone else when they say that The Glorious Burden sounds like it was written for Owens in mind, as if Schaffer wrote it thinking he would sing. Which wouldn't be unlikely.