No doubt most of you guys saw this coming after the thread we had on here a while back.
https://www.facebook.com/SilentEmpathy/posts/10151270375433107
https://www.facebook.com/SilentEmpathy/posts/10151270375433107
Rising Records at it again. Mark Daghorn has done a runner!
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wow what a complete and absolute chodemuffin. heard awful things but this really takes the cake, looks like internet justice is already being dealt; i reckon all the people who got rinsed by this evil fuck should band together and form an organization to officially ruin him in barbados. shouldn't be too hard, get a bunch of folks to bomb every review site, maybe even find a way to invest in some actual private investigation and find out what under the table shady shit he's doing to facilitate his comically cliche and pathetic restaurant owning dream; maybe even find a way to get local authorities involved or at very least make enough complaints and calls that every possible visa/insurance/health and safety book gets hurled at his fat bloated head.
fuck, like im so pissed right now.... please somebody start by making a facebook action group or something..... surely it's in kerrang!/metal hammer's interests to support the bringing of fiery vengance?? this needs to fucking go full viral, #DAGHORN2013
fuck, like im so pissed right now.... please somebody start by making a facebook action group or something..... surely it's in kerrang!/metal hammer's interests to support the bringing of fiery vengance?? this needs to fucking go full viral, #DAGHORN2013
drew_drummer
Dancefap
The guy is a straight up cunt for sure. Although this:
Even through a reputable label or management company, I would never sanction spending that much money on recording time. If you need that much on the recording side of things, you're not fucking ready to record!
Anyway... that's my lame-ass DIYer take on it.
Even through a reputable label or management company, I would never sanction spending that much money on recording time. If you need that much on the recording side of things, you're not fucking ready to record!
Anyway... that's my lame-ass DIYer take on it.
nialldoran
Member
think its completely subjective to the band for the money for recording time, i've worked on some albums last year that cost in that area and some albums that cost 900 to track, depends if you have the support from labels or hardcore fans etc to back it up right?
EDIT: Forgot to mention what a horrible guy this guy is, heard a few things in the past but thats just unacceptable, people should be out chasing him.
EDIT: Forgot to mention what a horrible guy this guy is, heard a few things in the past but thats just unacceptable, people should be out chasing him.
you know quick a $7500 tracking budget can be gone in a legit pro studio? $1000+/day adds up quick...
DeclanWhite
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Loren Littlejohn
Lover of all boobage.
AntonioPetrole
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+1 Shows just how much home recording has jaded real production costs. I pay over $1000 just for studio rental so 7500 is just about right, and that's with me eating some costs.
drew_drummer
Dancefap
They said £7500. Not dollars. That works out to be 11745.00 USD.
But lets assume even $7500. Well yeah maybe. But I got pro level recordings, mixes and then mastered by Jarkko who did an absolutely fantastic job, then got digipaks made and artwork produced - all in for £1100 - or about $1700.
Sorry if I don't qualify as a "legit pro studio" but I don't really care tbh... I can get epic results on my own.
Slight rant... but affordable equipment has really changed the game, as I'm sure everyone here knows anyway.
The Unavoidable
jättebög
£7500 is alot, but I can easily see how the total can reach that especially with accommodations etc. Obviously this guy is a total cunt, but I'm kinda curious of what exactly was meant by "50% of all sales returned to us"
egan.
daylightdies.com
I don't think anyone is saying you can't DIY for the fraction of studio costs. What they're saying is that if you go to a studio and pay a producer-- particularly a name guy -- that isn't a lot of money. Your figures no doubt depended on you or your bandmates doing the recording and not counting your time, gear, experience or overhead as expenses as well as getting Jarkko for a bargain. If you actually factor those things in the real cost of your album was probably 3 or 4 time more.
JeffTD
Senhor Testiculo
1. Even $12k is a bargain for a full length.
2. I honestly think that your results sound like you got a bargain for $1700, but they certainly don't help your point as much as you're insinuating, especially considering you haven't factored in your own time and money spent into that figure.
Loren Littlejohn
Lover of all boobage.
I couldn't factor in a producer for that cost, but no way I couldn't get a full length done for $12k (and no this does not include using myself for any of it).
£300 a day is a totally reasonable day rate in a decent studio. I'm sure most here would agree that you should be booking AT LEAST 1 day per song when recording, so just in recording time you'd be looking at 10+ days for a full length album. Add on time for editing, mixing and mastering and I think £7500 certainly isn't an excessive amount of money.
It's thinking like this that's bringing down wages and completely fucking up the recording industry, leaving us with a sea of slate drums, pod guitars and zombass on a worryingly large number of records now. All just because it's cheaper than actually recording real instruments and real musicians.
But anyway, back on topic. Mark Daghorn is a fucking asshole.
It's thinking like this that's bringing down wages and completely fucking up the recording industry, leaving us with a sea of slate drums, pod guitars and zombass on a worryingly large number of records now. All just because it's cheaper than actually recording real instruments and real musicians.
But anyway, back on topic. Mark Daghorn is a fucking asshole.
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egan.
daylightdies.com
Yeah, on topic I straight up don't understand why you would sign a "record deal" that didn't involve an advance. Sammy outlined it somewhere, but once you've got the record you just need to do some publicity. It's not like distro means anything anymore. If I understand the situation this guy basically sells studio time bundled with CD pressing and calls himself a label because he also takes 50% of sales. Preying on the uninformed with big dreams.
Mago
Austrian Blech Machine
Guy is a scumbag for sure, but what I don't understand is:
If there's a contract, then I'm sure that his commitments have to be fullfilled too, and they are written down in detail...So why did noone sue him for breaking a contract in the first place?
Sure, he has taken advantage of uninformed guys, but if noone was able to get money back in court, than he didn't do anything illegal I think?
Not to protect the bastard, or to give the fault to the victims, but things like that can easily be avoided with a bit of common sense, or not?
About the studio price thingy:
I think a lot of guys around here underestimate how much you can safe, if you don't have to book studiotime for everything.
If there's a contract, then I'm sure that his commitments have to be fullfilled too, and they are written down in detail...So why did noone sue him for breaking a contract in the first place?
Sure, he has taken advantage of uninformed guys, but if noone was able to get money back in court, than he didn't do anything illegal I think?
Not to protect the bastard, or to give the fault to the victims, but things like that can easily be avoided with a bit of common sense, or not?
About the studio price thingy:
I think a lot of guys around here underestimate how much you can safe, if you don't have to book studiotime for everything.
I've been contacted by this guy also with his offer. Some other local bands here were signed with rising records. I think the same happened to them. If i remember right, i even heard alot of tracks of their newly recorded cd - after a gig where we shared stages wich took place more then a year ago - wich is untill now still not there. I also just saw they recorded new stuff at a local studio.
Back to the point. So after reading the deal he proposed, i went to check out what his studio had to offer. The main things i've found after googling is how this guy fucks up your band. There are so many storys on the web about him, and from what i've read. He isnt doing anything illigal at all. So you can't sue him.
Didn't read everything in this thread, but based on some stories from victims, 7500£ is just for the tracking, no mixing or mastering. The first way he screws you.
Back to the point. So after reading the deal he proposed, i went to check out what his studio had to offer. The main things i've found after googling is how this guy fucks up your band. There are so many storys on the web about him, and from what i've read. He isnt doing anything illigal at all. So you can't sue him.
Didn't read everything in this thread, but based on some stories from victims, 7500£ is just for the tracking, no mixing or mastering. The first way he screws you.
