Rock Harvest

[J. Golden]

I do have to say that I am surprised that anyone would ever question the importance of police officers and the EXTREME risk they endure in their jobs day after day. Not something I ever want to do. I am just glad there are others crazy enough to be willing to put on a bullet proof vest and put themselves in the line of fire. WAY more difficult and important than running a label.

I was not questioning the importance of them. I was merely saying that other people die too and because they are not cops it is no less important. Once again those people chose to be police, they are not drafted, they are not volunteers, they are paid employees. Our culture still has this mentally that for some reason a uniform makes a person better than everyone else. .

I was inspired to do a little research earlier on the must stressful jobs in America and the correlation to suicide rates; it was interesting to find that all the states ranked police, firemen, and military pretty low and menial workers ranked high.
Apa.org
business insider.com

I do completely understand that a police officer's job can be stressful, but if they cannot handle it then perhaps that is the wrong line of work for them.
I wonder how many nurses or Hospice workers kill themselves due to the "stress" and emotional impact. These people see death and suffering all the time too. Maybe there is a charity already in play for them and their families, or is their suffering trivial in comparison?

 

[dcowboys311]

^I agree to an extent but by the same logic, why support a charity for kids with cancer? Adults can get cancer too you know. And a charity to support underprivileged black kids? Well white kids can be just as underprivileged. And on and on and on. Many (most?) charities support rather specific demographics. There's nothing stopping anyone from starting up one to support the families of dead doctors or janitors or internet quarterbacks.

 

[AngraRULES]

TACT

noun

1.
adroitness and sensitivity in dealing with others or with difficult issues.

"the inspector broke the news to me with tact and consideration"

synonyms:diplomacy, tactfulness, sensitivity, understanding, thoughtfulness, consideration, delicacy, discretion, prudence, judiciousness, subtlety, savoir faire

 

[General Zod]

Has it been established how much money will be donated to Fallen Blue from this year's event? Will it be a flat amount? A percentage of every ticket? Just curious.

 

[Justin G]

Has it been established how much money will be donated to Fallen Blue from this year's event? Will it be a flat amount? A percentage of every ticket? Just curious.

My guess is it would be proceeds minus expenses. So nothing. Turnout is going to be terrible for this.

 

[edgeofthorns]

I know of a guy who once talked smack on a festival like this...

Say what?

~Brian~

 

[Metal_Camden]

Well, i hope it works out.

 

[AngraRULES]

Amazing how some people take a golden opportunity to keep their mouths shut and toss it out the window like it's a taco-bell wrapper...

 

[Mardoch]

Say what?

~Brian~

It was a Glenn vs Powermad joke. Hence his response.

 

[General Zod]

My guess is it would be proceeds minus expenses. So nothing. Turnout is going to be terrible for this.

My thoughts exactly. What seems a bit unsavory is, the promoters seem to be excusing their behavior by pointing out that this is for charity. However, if the charity is going to receive nothing or something nominal, than the "fact" that it's for charity becomes quite negligible. What you're left with is two guys who sold tickets, based on bands who won't be appearing, and are now refusing to refund the dollars. Regardless of what their intentions were, if you promise Product A and deliver Product B, you misled your customers. They can try to spin that any way they like, but facts are facts. And the idea that they're already selling tickets for the third edition of this festival, only makes them seem more guilty.

 

[Mardoch]

But Zod! Charity! Murica! Good Cause!

 

[General Zod]

But Zod! Charity! Murica! Good Cause!

LOL

 

[edgeofthorns]

It was a Glenn vs Powermad joke. Hence his response.

Ah...I must have missed that incident.

~Brian~

 

[Jasonic]

Just read this: http://www.metalsludge.tv/?p=39444

Circle II Circle posted basically the same scenario on FB yesterday
(IE - they were not paid the promised 50% advance to cover flights / hotels / local transportation / etc)

Seems like these guys have been given extensions up to over a month to meet such obligations and still failed.

Why any band would play this fest at this point is beyond me, but to each their own.

 

[J. Golden]

^I agree to an extent but by the same logic, why support a charity for kids with cancer? Adults can get cancer too you know. And a charity to support underprivileged black kids? Well white kids can be just as underprivileged. And on and on and on. Many (most?) charities support rather specific demographics. There's nothing stopping anyone from starting up one to support the families of dead doctors or janitors or internet quarterbacks.

Difference you are still missing is that children don't sign up for cancer. Yes a charity for janitors could be set up I suppose. My commentary was more so based on the idea that for some rerason society makes police and soldier something more than they are just because they are in uniform. That is not to say that I'm down playing their jobs in anyway, just saying that they do there jobs like everyone else.

 

[J. Golden]

Has it been established how much money will be donated to Fallen Blue from this year's event? Will it be a flat amount? A percentage of every ticket? Just curious.

It had never been established that is why I began wondering weeks ago if this "charity" was even real. The Fallen Blue site was extremely vague on everything, not to mention poorly put together. Plus there was little to no information out there about it. One would also think that the police in their area would have been aware of a charity for police but nothing.
Now after reading CIIC letter, Metal Sludge, on top of knowing that ticket holders have lost money I question this even more now. Somewhere someone has made some cash, now where that will go is anyone's guess.
I can't blame bands for dropping after so much is coming out. Nor can I blame people for not going now.

 

[Jasonic]

or internet quarterbacks.

 

[AeonicSlumber]

Difference you are still missing is that children don't sign up for cancer. Yes a charity for janitors could be set up I suppose. My commentary was more so based on the idea that for some rerason society makes police and soldier something more than they are just because they are in uniform. That is not to say that I'm down playing their jobs in anyway, just saying that they do there jobs like everyone else.

Believe me, I'm the last person to circlejerk "the uniform" and am the first to acknowledge that many police officers are disgustingly corrupt and generally horrible human beings, but you're missing the point. The officer may have signed up for the job, but the officer's kid was born into a family that he certainly couldn't choose. It's not like he asked to have his dad die on duty. The charity is for the family of the fallen officers, not for the officer him or herself.

 

[ddead83]

https://www.facebook.com/rockharvestpolice?ref=ts&fref=ts

 

[J. Golden]

Believe me, I'm the last person to circlejerk "the uniform" and am the first to acknowledge that many police officers are disgustingly corrupt and generally horrible human beings, but you're missing the point. The officer may have signed up for the job, but the officer's kid was born into a family that he certainly couldn't choose. It's not like he asked to have his dad die on duty. The charity is for the family of the fallen officers, not for the officer him or herself.

Maybe cops and soldiers should not have children then. Seems pretty goddamn selfish to have children while working in such a high risk job anyway. Still those children are no different than a son or daughter of a bus driver. They would not have asked for their parent to die in a wreck.
Do police not get life insurance?