simple question about guitar sound
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Black neon bob
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Hmmm.. quite a good question though Burny..
I myself wonder about this as well.. but normally i pan them a bit different, and different EQ on each side... i use Andy's waves C4 settings on both, but give one a bit more room for mid then the other..
That's about it, but to be honest, i have no idea if it actually would sound better if both sides were the same.. however, there are quite some bands who use differences on both sides.. quite a bit actually, like mnemic...
Pro's will have to jump on this to give you a real good anwser though, just my thoughts...
I myself wonder about this as well.. but normally i pan them a bit different, and different EQ on each side... i use Andy's waves C4 settings on both, but give one a bit more room for mid then the other..
That's about it, but to be honest, i have no idea if it actually would sound better if both sides were the same.. however, there are quite some bands who use differences on both sides.. quite a bit actually, like mnemic...
Pro's will have to jump on this to give you a real good anwser though, just my thoughts...
hi,
yeah a good question ...
when i use two identical sounds on both sides the sound tends to come
more from the center but when you use two different sounds or tones it's more spread more space in between like you mentioned
i struggle with this too though some tips would be nice
yeah a good question ...
when i use two identical sounds on both sides the sound tends to come
more from the center but when you use two different sounds or tones it's more spread more space in between like you mentioned
i struggle with this too though some tips would be nice
hi,
don't know how to explain this right but it's not sounding as wide as i would like to
eq helps a bit though ...
don't know how to explain this right but it's not sounding as wide as i would like to
eq helps a bit though ...
Kazrog
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I highly recommend quadruple tracking rhythm guitars. Pan 2 of them 100%, and 2 of them 80%. Each track should be a seperate performance. Typically I'll have two unique guitar tones being used. The 100% panned guitars I usually have a more scooped, chunky tone, and the 80% panned guitars I go for something with a bit more mids and highs. James has posted about this here before and I learned about quadruple tracking from him in the first place!
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Brooks
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I always hear that its a good idea to change SOME componont of the signal when double tracking... either a different guitar, or a different pedal setting, a different microphone, something to give it some slight contrast.
Kazrog
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Brooks said:
Yes, but if you quad track, it's good to have two passes of each tone. I like keeping the stereo field even in terms of tone and level, unless I'm purposely going for some retro/Hendrix vibe or something... which is pretty much never...
Using 4 unique passes is going to give you all the "variation" you need, even if you play extremely tightly. The most important thing is getting tight performances throughout the song, even if you have to copy/paste and edit to get it that way (watch the Fear Factory DVD, you can see them chopping up and beat detectiveing Dino's individual palm muted chugs along with the kick hits, and he's a very tight player!)
Black neon bob
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So Shane, if i get your post right, you would actually recommend tracking every track a single take? so you would have to record it four times if you would record them quadruple? man, that is asking for some tight playing indeed 
I have tried that though in the past, but i always run into phasing problems on each side... totally ruined my prior sound i want and transforms it completely.. am i missing something then? because i am sure that 4 tracks beats 2 hands down.. but like i said, i always run into transformation of the guitartracks.. maybe i can put up a sample soon to A/B the two differences.. one with two tracks, and one with 4 tracks...
Cool thread though..
I have tried that though in the past, but i always run into phasing problems on each side... totally ruined my prior sound i want and transforms it completely.. am i missing something then? because i am sure that 4 tracks beats 2 hands down.. but like i said, i always run into transformation of the guitartracks.. maybe i can put up a sample soon to A/B the two differences.. one with two tracks, and one with 4 tracks...
Cool thread though..
Kazrog
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Black neon bob said:
Just noticed this - I love Mnemic's sound... which proves the point that there are no rules to getting a great sound. Experiment!
Kazrog
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Black neon bob said:So Shane, if i get your post right, you would actually recommend tracking every track a single take? so you would have to record it four times if you would record them quadruple? man, that is asking for some tight playing indeed
I have tried that though in the past, but i always run into phasing problems on each side... totally ruined my prior sound i want and transforms it completely.. am i missing something then? because i am sure that 4 tracks beats 2 hands down.. but like i said, i always run into transformation of the guitartracks.. maybe i can put up a sample soon to A/B the two differences.. one with two tracks, and one with 4 tracks...
Cool thread though..
You shouldn't have phasing proglems if you are truly using 4 unique passes of the song. And yes, that is asking for tight playing - but it can be done!
guitarguru777
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Your probably using too much gain if your tone is falling apart. Im not the tightest player in the world believe me, and im a cut and paste maniac when recording. Its the only way i can get tracks to line up perfectly. I actully got the idea from the fear factory DVD. I said hell if Dino does it to sounds that tight .. why cant I.
I've even heard drummers like Virgil Donati do this when tracking their drums. Its not all uncommon nowadays.
Da Fukn Guru
I've even heard drummers like Virgil Donati do this when tracking their drums. Its not all uncommon nowadays.
Da Fukn Guru
Heres my answer for the mono ish problem you get when using the same setup for both sides. Alter one aspect only.
For example. If you use the same cab, amp, guitar; use two players.
If you have one player, keep same cab, mics, amp, use two guitars.
Or use the same player, cab, mic, guitar, and use two amps that are very similar.
I just reamped a mix where it was one player, same guitar both sides. When I reamped with a Triple Rectifier I got that problem you are talking about. Its too mono sounding. In the past I have tried to eq the two sides a bit differently. But that only helps a little bit. So this time I took a Dual Rec and Triple rec. I set them up to be as close in tone as I could get them. And then reamped the dual for the left and the triple for the right. Worked like a charm. Pulls the mix wide apart. They both have a different dynamic or way of responding that pulls them away from each other but they are close enough so that you can have a really uniform mix.
And also I need to try this again, I remember doing tracks in the past with the same setup and same player but having him use one guitar for the left and a totally different guitar for the right.
In fact this technique I described worked so well, I almost didnt tell you guys! But I'm not greedy, haha. Also I do mostly complex death metal and its almost impossible to quad track these guys.
Colin
For example. If you use the same cab, amp, guitar; use two players.
If you have one player, keep same cab, mics, amp, use two guitars.
Or use the same player, cab, mic, guitar, and use two amps that are very similar.
I just reamped a mix where it was one player, same guitar both sides. When I reamped with a Triple Rectifier I got that problem you are talking about. Its too mono sounding. In the past I have tried to eq the two sides a bit differently. But that only helps a little bit. So this time I took a Dual Rec and Triple rec. I set them up to be as close in tone as I could get them. And then reamped the dual for the left and the triple for the right. Worked like a charm. Pulls the mix wide apart. They both have a different dynamic or way of responding that pulls them away from each other but they are close enough so that you can have a really uniform mix.
And also I need to try this again, I remember doing tracks in the past with the same setup and same player but having him use one guitar for the left and a totally different guitar for the right.
In fact this technique I described worked so well, I almost didnt tell you guys! But I'm not greedy, haha. Also I do mostly complex death metal and its almost impossible to quad track these guys.
Colin
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The best way is to have the tightest rhythm player do all the rhythm tracks. Usually in a two guitar band there is one who is a better rhythm player and, egos asside, he should cut the tracks. Even if this means one player going through two rigs, his and the other guys, so that the sound is right.
I meant as far as panning goes. The band doesn't really have a defined rhythm and lead player. They play both. Would you still just pan each player on their own side. And when using dual mics is this the correct way to pan them?
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