Nuno Filipe
You talkin' to me?
I might be wrong but the latency is due to your interface/drivers and not so much about the CPU power.
Edit: But of course you will need a lot of memory ram if you want to run plugins in real time.
Sims vs Amp when practicing
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I might be wrong but the latency is due to your interface/drivers and not so much about the CPU power.
Edit: But of course you will need a lot of memory ram if you want to run plugins in real time.
MrBongo
idiot at work
bryan_kilco
Member
Right, I thought it was a bit of both but I'm not sure about that.
Running AMD Six-Core @ 3.50GHz and 16 GB RAM.....just thought I wouldn't have such issues but I guess I can't complain as this is the most boss computer I've gotten to use.
Nuno Filipe
You talkin' to me?
I said that because I used to track guitars in a really old pc. A Pentium 4 and I had 2,5 ms with a toneport.
Toneport drivers were shit, soon I donwloaded asio all and I got 2,5ms. Run your interface through asio drivers and you will probably will have much better latency.
bryan_kilco
Member
Well, yeah, I thought it was standard to run ASIO or else you get huge latency.....
Bryan you might want to try recording one guitar at a time with none of the others going (all effects bypassed or offline). I know it's more fun to have all the guitars going when you track but it promotes a tighter performance when you're tracking a single guitar to drums and a click track, and that'll help with keeping it from crackling at 64 samples. I usually bypass anything that's not essential to playing the part and get no crackling.
nezvers
Beast
I don't see why you need all those plugins to play guitar. And that's WAY TOO MUCH to your cpu AND interface to handle. Especially L1. Limit yourself screamer + amp + cab sims at max and you'll get most of it.
Dunno but if I remember lecab take more processing for me to use it for playing (reverbarate LE is ultimate IR loader for me, others added more latency)
For me it need to be REALLY fast to be able to play - I test that with muting strings with hand higher than 12th fret and pluck 1st string (it has fastest attack/ decay pluck for reference) and if I can hear delayed signal or so late that I can tell that's late - I SIMPLY CAN'T PLAY.
My setup was Ignite amps TS + Lecto + reverbarate LE (probably test some plugins more that has fastest processing and some plugins I can add - EQ/ delays).
bryan_kilco
Member
I think I'll go and try this today. Sometimes I just like to be able to mute drums and hear just the guitars and click to make sure my guitars are on point with each other. Sometimes, for whatever reason, hearing the drums slightly messes with my timing....oddly....
Nuno Filipe
You talkin' to me?
4 instances is a lot!lol When I record guitars, for me it´s only tube screamer--»amp---»IR´s. I almost always do it with only click playing. With drums and bass I cant hear if I am sloppy or not.
Mago
Austrian Blech Machine
Have you ever tried to play on a large stage without drumfills,sidefills and wedges?
plus amp 10ft away and you playing is a different thing to you playing through headphones or nearfields
nezvers
Beast
I thought that monitors on stage are made for that purpose to eliminate time lag + hear yourself closer
MrBongo
idiot at work
Nimvi
Member
If you are purely running that limiter on the 2bus as a safety net, you could use "JS: Utility/limiter" instead. It comes with Reaper. Works just fine for that purpose and takes barely any processing power at all.
I always use that during tracking, in case the client wants the stuff in his headphones louder than my headphone amp goes on regular tracking levels (people must be insane; I can barely take that kind of volume for longer than a few seconds).
There is also an option in Reaper that automatically mutes the 2bus when it exceeds a predetermined level. I always leave that on, but for tracking the previous option is still better, because you don't want the 2bus to mute during a perfect take...
Yes, it has happened. But the vocalist was a bad-ass and continued like nothing was wrong, and he still nailed that take
bryan_kilco
Member
If you are purely running that limiter on the 2bus as a safety net, you could use "JS: Utility/limiter" instead. It comes with Reaper. Works just fine for that purpose and takes barely any processing power at all.
I always use that during tracking, in case the client wants the stuff in his headphones louder than my headphone amp goes on regular tracking levels (people must be insane; I can barely take that kind of volume for longer than a few seconds).
There is also an option in Reaper that automatically mutes the 2bus when it exceeds a predetermined level. I always leave that on, but for tracking the previous option is still better, because you don't want the 2bus to mute during a perfect take...
Yes, it has happened. But the vocalist was a bad-ass and continued like nothing was wrong, and he still nailed that take
Just threw the limiter on to get more volume, that's all. If I take it off, and try running the 4x ampsim chain, I get the crackling as well. I guess I should be using 2x ampsim chain and just put it on guitar buses. I've tried this before and for some reason recall always having problems with the panning.
And that option about auto-mute on the 2bus seems great! When we were recording drums, I had a sketchy talkback mic setup going, and the only way for me to clearly hear our drummer talking was to limit the master bus INSANELY hard and once in a while I'd play back some of the track to him through his headphones and forget to take the limiter off.....yeah.....Imagine a seriously angry gorilla who's already about to tear faces off due to stressful tracking then blast his drum tracks into his ears at a million db.....
Mago
Austrian Blech Machine
yeah, and rightfully, that's when it starts to get unpleasant (for me anyway)
Cause an amp 2-4m away (6-12ms delay) sounds different, you get more room and your ears expect that kind of sound, yada yada...
With an ampsim those 5-10ms aren't supposed to be there, that's why the ear isn't expecting it.
Through headphones it should be close to nothing, and if you play through nearfields you have to add the 3-6ms (roughly 1-2m) distance to your monitors on top of the 5-10ms software latency.
No way I can play tight with this. 3ms latency and headphones works best for me.
But to each their own. If you got used to playing with a lot of latency it can work for you I suppose.
Nimvi
Member
^ Yuup, always be careful of the guy with the pointy sticks
Edit: that was meant for Bryan of course
Edit: that was meant for Bryan of course
Mago
Austrian Blech Machine
Just threw the limiter on to get more volume, that's all. If I take it off, and try running the 4x ampsim chain, I get the crackling as well. I guess I should be using 2x ampsim chain and just put it on guitar buses. I've tried this before and for some reason recall always having problems with the panning.
And that option about auto-mute on the 2bus seems great! When we were recording drums, I had a sketchy talkback mic setup going, and the only way for me to clearly hear our drummer talking was to limit the master bus INSANELY hard and once in a while I'd play back some of the track to him through his headphones and forget to take the limiter off.....yeah.....Imagine a seriously angry gorilla who's already about to tear faces off due to stressful tracking then blast his drum tracks into his ears at a million db.....
Why not print/freeze the guitars you already have recorded to save up some cpu?
That's what I used to do for recording.
Nowadays if I also want to be able to edit programmed drums during writing (which also have a healthy amount of processing on them in the daw for sounding cool while writing) I just also record and monitor through an external device (vox tonelab), so I save the cpu power from the ampsims.
With direct monitoring on my interface I even get less latency than in the best case scenario through ampsims.
There was a great video posted on here about tracking di with low cpu usage. I didnt make it but I will see if i can find it.
I sometimes do something similar. I just play with my amp and use the cab as a monitor and at the same time I also send the preamp signal to the interface. All latency problems gone.
