so obama has made it official...
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derek
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From what I've seen, this and the health care reform, although great undertakings in their own right, are the only things at which he has succeeded. I had so much more hope for him....however, the alternative was much, much worse.
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I think he has done a good job so far... but I have been called a "Lib-tard" by a republican in the workplace. 
http://www.thepoliticalcarnival.net/2010/03/president-obamas-accomplishments/
http://www.thepoliticalcarnival.net/2010/03/president-obamas-accomplishments/
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Obama is wayyyy better then bush jr.
I know he might have not done much, but I like what he supports. One issue being the use of renewable energy.
I know he might have not done much, but I like what he supports. One issue being the use of renewable energy.
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Maybe I'm missing the reference, but in my mind I know there is a peaceful place to contemplate things, and there is a part of us that is constantly in regret, even if we don't see it.
Yea, let it rain to teach us the god principle.
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The thing is, the war isn't over. The combat mission of the United States Army has come to an end, but the war isn't over. There will still be thousands of troops there training the Iraqis as well as special forces continuing raids.
This is the exact same thing as Bush's famous "Mission Accomplished" speech. In fact, he said the same thing, that major combat operations are over. Well in a sense he was right; in another sense, also known as reality, he couldn't have been more wrong. We ended our attack but combat operations weren't over, as we've seen over the past seven years. Now Obama is saying the same thing, just from a different time frame and different circumstances. We're simply reducing our footprint in the region, that's all. There never, ever will be a complete pullout of Iraq. People think that we're just going to up and move all our forces home. We didn't in Italy, Germany, Korea, or Japan, so why would we leave Iraq? It would be a great idea on a personal level but on a geo-political level it would create a power vacuum eventually.
The Iraqis will pretend to get along with each other until someone insults someone else's 4000 year old retarded tradition, which will spark another civil war and the US will have to come back in to play peacemaker. No, it would be much more cost-effective to simply baby-sit them with a small military presence for the foreseeable future and give them the illusion they are able to stand on their own. Eventually we may be able to completely pull out, but not in our lifetime. The only way we'd leave is if the government kicked us out like the Saudis, but then they'd be cutting off their own foot. These people wipe their asses with their bare hands, do you really think they can run a modern, secular, and civilized country?
This is the exact same thing as Bush's famous "Mission Accomplished" speech. In fact, he said the same thing, that major combat operations are over. Well in a sense he was right; in another sense, also known as reality, he couldn't have been more wrong. We ended our attack but combat operations weren't over, as we've seen over the past seven years. Now Obama is saying the same thing, just from a different time frame and different circumstances. We're simply reducing our footprint in the region, that's all. There never, ever will be a complete pullout of Iraq. People think that we're just going to up and move all our forces home. We didn't in Italy, Germany, Korea, or Japan, so why would we leave Iraq? It would be a great idea on a personal level but on a geo-political level it would create a power vacuum eventually.
The Iraqis will pretend to get along with each other until someone insults someone else's 4000 year old retarded tradition, which will spark another civil war and the US will have to come back in to play peacemaker. No, it would be much more cost-effective to simply baby-sit them with a small military presence for the foreseeable future and give them the illusion they are able to stand on their own. Eventually we may be able to completely pull out, but not in our lifetime. The only way we'd leave is if the government kicked us out like the Saudis, but then they'd be cutting off their own foot. These people wipe their asses with their bare hands, do you really think they can run a modern, secular, and civilized country?
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I never knew the sole moment civilized man was able to govern himself fairly was when he started using leaves and wood pulp to remove unwanted waste from his buttocks. I'm behind the times.
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Thank you for noticing.
I give Iraq a little credit. They're police are more organized than the ANA. Though Bush's intentions on ousting Suddam Hussein caused more death and destruction than if he just would have stayed in power, it made him and a few other people mad rich. As far as troop occupation you are right, but, I can't imagine why anyone would want to be stationed in either country anyway. The minute you get off the plane it's death until you find an Air Force tent with AC.
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