Some incoherent questions...

Tapestry

Tapestry

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Hi... It seems to me that a lot of people have something against the Deliverance album and The Grand Conjuration and I'd like to know (like) why? And if you're more into the melodic/mellow/soft/acoustic/medley parts of Opeth or the death/hard/aggresive/doomy/faster parts or all of it just the way it is? (if that makes any sense)... And the last question goes out to the drummers... Did it take time for you to learn to play the April Ethereal/Wreath/Master's Apprentices intros or is it just me who's lame?
 
Delieverence was seen as a bit of continuation of Blackwater Park, and no real progression (although it's one of my favourite Opeth albums).

The Grand Conjuration just sucks, I don't know why, but it just does.
 
yeah I hate that a lot of people think Deliverance sucks.....besides MAYH i think it's there most brutal album.....

......as for the grand conjuration I like it, but it's too long to not be progressive enough.
 
Well, Deliverance was felt as if it were an album that contained long songs just because its the Opeth thing to do, but there wasnt actually enough material to make the longer style songs.

Although I LOVE Deliverance and Master's Apprentices and Wreath, tbh, For Absent Friends, BTPISIO and A Fair Judgment is kind of week.

As far as TGC, it's just repetitive and not so complicated (as most Opeth songs are).

my 2 zentz.
 
blimey said:
Well, Deliverance was felt as if it were an album that contained long songs just because its the Opeth thing to do, but there wasnt actually enough material to make the longer style songs.

Although I LOVE Deliverance and Master's Apprentices and Wreath, tbh, For Absent Friends, BTPISIO and A Fair Judgment is kind of week.

As far as TGC, it's just repetitive and not so complicated (as most Opeth songs are).

my 2 zentz.
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Maybe Deliverance felt like it but really weren't? And TGC may be repetitive and not so complicated but I think it's still good? I mean just because something isn't complicated it can still be good. The "whispered conjuration-riff" is lovely, really... IMO
 
I second Blimey's statement on "Deliverance was felt as if it were an album that contained long songs just because its the Opeth thing to do, but there wasnt actually enough material to make the longer style songs." However, it's not to say I don't like Deliverance...TGC well, it is sort of repetitive and such...but it's still Opeth...if it were a whole album of TGC I'd be kind of deterred but Wreath totally compensated for it...in my opinion anyway.
 
Birkenau said:
Delieverence was seen as a bit of continuation of Blackwater Park, and no real progression (although it's one of my favourite Opeth albums).

The Grand Conjuration just sucks, I don't know why, but it just does.
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A continuation of BWP?

Wow,I never thought so.

I think the reson Deliverance isn't adored by everyone is that Opeth went for heaviness instead of the usual mix of slow and heavy. There are still slow moments on there but seeing as it was released directly after BWP, many were disappointed

BWP is a masterpiece and not even a band like Opeth could top that album

Deliverance is a great album and I was not disappointed by it

I think Damnation is the album that gets the most bashings amongst metalheads but it has grown on most. To be honest, I don't see how you can't like it, if you're a music fan, Damnation should really appeal to you.

The Grand Conjuration is just too simple for an Opeth songs - the usual length but not much happening which is disappointing

Ghost of Perdition, Harlequin and Baying are way better
 
I really like both deliverance and the grand conjuration! It's not my favourite album\song, but definately got a lot of love for them. Deliverance the song is one of my favourites. I've spent many hours tourturing myself on the drums, trying to play it....
 
Isn't it more fun to hear an album which is not so similiar to the last one? The more surprising and experiment, the more fun and more exciting the album becomes to listen to...
 
I don't know, I think TGC is a very good song. Especially when they get up to the solo, then after the solo , the song sends shivers down my spine. And I love how after the best part of the song it goes quiet and all you can hear is the Keyboards.

Oh and Deliverance kicks ass too. Every Opeth CD out kicks ass.
 
I fail to see how Opeth have ever had a 'bad' release. I mean sure compare one album to the other it might be worse. But if you compare it too alot of other bands various release you truly understand how good it was anyway.
 
Deliverance is one of the best albums! It's so raw but beautiful at the same
time! Love all songs on it! And I mean all!

I really like The grand conjuration. Especially the vocals in the beginning and
the nice riff break at the end. However, I don't like repetiveness and
constant use of that main riff. It's a very cool and moody song. Dark and
spooky. Like it generally.
 
Benighted Joe said:
Deliverance is one of the best albums! It's so raw but beautiful at the same
time! Love all songs on it! And I mean all!

I really like The grand conjuration. Especially the vocals in the beginning and
the nice riff break at the end. However, I don't like repetiveness and
constant use of that main riff. It's a very cool and moody song. Dark and
spooky. Like it generally.
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Yeah, TGC is dark and spooky. Probably the most evil sounding Opeth song. But... good god. That song is repetivite.
 
Deliverance, to me, just doesn't have the same je ne sais quois as other Opeth albums...a lot of the riffs just seem kind of weak and contrived, and the songs seem like they were stretched out just to be Opeth-length. A Fair Judgement, for example, is great, but could have been a lot shorter, same with Deliverance. And Wreath I have still to get into.

TGC gets way more hate than it deserves. I'm not sure what people hate about it, other than that it's too repetetive and doesn't have any acoustic parts and is very experimental for Opeth. I personally think the main riff is one of their best ones, up there with The Moor's opener, the intro of Bleak, and the end of BWP. It is repetetive, but I like that riff enough that I don't even mind. However the part in the middle is just terrible. The part where he's going 'whispered conjuration, a belief takes form' has the worst guitar riff Opeth have ever played.
 
I have nothing against Deliverance, though there are only 3 or 4 songs on it I like to listen to. As for TGC, I think it's pretty simplistic on guitar, it's catchy, that's why it's the single. But the basslines on it are better than the guitar.
 
Deliverance is a decent album. There are a few cameos which allure me to listen to the album over and over. I wouldn't say it is their best though. I still prefer the early Opeth days of Morning Rise and Orchid. They are such amazing masterpieces weaving magic around you, every time you listen to them. They released a very brutal 3rd album - MAYH after these two. Not that to say that the rest of the Opeth albums are bad. They are good in their own ways. I guess its just me, to say Orchid and Morning Rise are favorites.

But, I think TGC is the worst song of Opeth in the Ghost Reveries album. I was so much waiting for Opeth to do a video on Ghost of Perdition.
 
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