SSD 3.0 or Superior Foundry?

[kaomao]

The biggest problem in superior (IMHO) is the lack of lows on kicks and especially on cymbals low velocities on superior sounds like you're hitting the ride bell.
On the NY studios expansion they recorded kicks with more low end, and the cymbals play like "cymbals" at any velocities.
As I showed on this thread you can turn the kick to a fat metal monster

 

[Melodeath]

We also took away the option to have the overhead off...

Damn. I hate it when features are taken away. Don't take away customizability just because some people are too ignorant to experiment.

 

[Metaltastic]

Steve, the money is in my bank account waiting to buy EX, and I can't proceed with my EP until I do, so...please hurry!

 

[Matt-Steele]

Steve is THE man.

 

[Cyrosis]

Why are these two products even being compared? They have almost nothing in common, and are made for two entirely different work flows.

Stevens products are extremly processed, ready to go out of the box, and are made for very specific genre's. Articulations, velocity layers, and mic choice are lacking in a big way however, and his drums have a very signature sound, but that could be a plus or minus for some people.

Superior has either completely raw, or lightly mixed samples, that often require some time to mix them, (Metal Foundry is raw). This of course allows for the creation of almost any tone however, so if you are confident with your mixing skills, there is absolutely nothing stopping you from making them sound almost exactly like SSD, or anything else you can think of. Superior has the advantage of realistic micing, and articulation choice as well, so you can create a more realistic drum track.

To me, Superior is more versatile in tone, and articulation, but requires more effort from the end user to achieve their desired sound. SSD will allow for instant gratification, but wont give you the versatility, or realism.

For what it's worth, I don't think many of the Metal Foundry demos sound good, nor do I think SS drums sound good. Both are entirely too processed IMO, and I honestly can't stand the over processed, triggered drums in most metal recordings (I understand most of you probably feel the opposite there). I do know that Metal Foundry is raw however, so I can process them the way I like, use them in any genre I like, and will be avoiding the presets as I always do.

/2 cents.

 

[Pablo333]

SLATE SLATE SLATE!!!!!

 

[-Loco-]

Why are these two products even being compared? They have almost nothing in common, and are made for two entirely different work flows.

Stevens products are extremly processed, ready to go out of the box, and are made for very specific genre's. Articulations, velocity layers, and mic choice are lacking in a big way however, and his drums have a very signature sound, but that could be a plus or minus for some people.

Superior has either completely raw, or lightly mixed samples, that often require some time to mix them, (Metal Foundry is raw). This of course allows for the creation of almost any tone however, so if you are confident with your mixing skills, there is absolutely nothing stopping you from making them sound almost exactly like SSD, or anything else you can think of. Superior has the advantage of realistic micing, and articulation choice as well, so you can create a more realistic drum track.

To me, Superior is more versatile in tone, and articulation, but requires more effort from the end user to achieve their desired sound. SSD will allow for instant gratification, but wont give you the versatility, or realism.

For what it's worth, I don't think many of the Metal Foundry demos sound good, nor do I think SS drums sound good. Both are entirely too processed IMO, and I honestly can't stand the over processed, triggered drums in most metal recordings (I understand most of you probably feel the opposite there). I do know that Metal Foundry is raw however, so I can process them the way I like, use them in any genre I like, and will be avoiding the presets as I always do.

/2 cents.

well you suck..get off the forum

jokes.

Yeah im gonna go for slate drums, i still have superiors 1 and 2 there to fuck around with...best try something new

 

[Pablo333]

Again heres my opinion,

why oh why waste precious time EQ'ing and compressing and tweaking/adding reverb etc when Slate has already tweaked to perfection the drum sounds already.
The NRG room sound needs to be heard to be believed!!
all you really need to do is filter off some lows from the slate kicks and BAM, fantastic drum sound!!
then, you have ALL that free time to get good GTR Takes/Bass takes - and gives you more time for arranging/or mixing, rather than focusing on endless tweaks.

 

[Erkan]

why oh why waste precious time EQ'ing and compressing and tweaking/adding reverb etc when Slate has already tweaked to perfection the drum sounds already.

Uh, because you might want your own sound instead of having the same sound as everyone else who uses Slate?

I was actually starting to contemplate if I should invest in triggers and something like SSD or Superior, but the thought of everyone else having access to the exact same samples takes the thrill away. Everytime I heard the classic DFH drumsounds these days, like on Devin's Ziltoid album for example, I just go facepalm. I'd hate to experience that with my own songs in the future.

 

[Fox Mulder]

For me, it doesn't matter what the fuck I use.

midi triggers automated to hell > 100% raw samples through Drumagog (Erkan, I'm a big fan of your cymbals and hihats ) > Tweak to taste > Viola!

I'm better off working my ass off rather than sounding like 1000s and 1000s of myspace bands

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To the question > As I've mentioned a millions times before, SSD sounds 'digitally adulterated'. Metal Foundry all the way.

 

[Cyrosis]

well you suck..get off the forum

jokes.

Yeah im gonna go for slate drums, i still have superiors 1 and 2 there to fuck around with...best try something new

Yeah, I rarely come down Andy way, I know I'm not on the same page as most here.

I think layering the sounds could be a best of both worlds approach for many, Slates drums would add the triggered sound, and the Superior samples would maintain a realistic, dynamic sound. Of course since you already own Superior 1, and 2, you could try this yourself if you grab SSD3.

Uh, because you might want your own sound instead of having the same sound as everyone else who uses Slate?

I was actually starting to contemplate if I should invest in triggers and something like SSD or Superior, but the thought of everyone else having access to the exact same samples takes the thrill away. Everytime I heard the classic DFH drumsounds these days, like on Devin's Ziltoid album for example, I just go facepalm. I'd hate to experience that with my own songs in the future.

I think this would only happen if you used the presets, building a kit, and mixing them entirely from scratch would be more your own sound then theirs. Especially considering this is metal we are talking about, acoustic drums get more mangled with EQ and compression in metal then anywhere else I can think of.

 

[Erkan]

For me, it doesn't matter what the fuck I use.

midi triggers automated to hell > 100% raw samples through Drumagog (Erkan, I'm a big fan of your cymbals and hihats ) > Tweak to taste > Viola!

I'm better off working my ass off rather than sounding like 1000s and 1000s of myspace bands

Dude! I had no clue someone actually used my samples I'd love to hear something sometime if you've got some song with any of my samples on it?

As for the working your ass off part; I agree being unique beats the crap out of sounding just like everyone else.

 

[Erkan]

I think this would only happen if you used the presets, building a kit, and mixing them entirely from scratch would be more your own sound then theirs. Especially considering this is metal we are talking about, acoustic drums get more mangled with EQ and compression in metal then anywhere else I can think of.

But still, the source sound is the same and I don't think any EQ or Compressor would make it sound like an entirely different snare drum with different drumheads and so on.

If you do know an EQ or Compressor that would make my snare drum sound like it had a new fresh Evans Genera HDD drumhead, let me know!

 

[Pablo333]

Uh, because you might want your own sound instead of having the same sound as everyone else who uses Slate?

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Cool man, but dont you think the music is more important than the sounds used , the avg listener gets off on the music, not the individual sounds used.

 

[Cyrosis]

Cool man, but dont you think the music is more important than the sounds used , the avg listener gets off on the music, not the individual sounds used.

If that were the case, then you wouldn't care if you used SSD, or some stock Roland V-Drum sounds. It's just a matter of taste, Superior, SSD, BFD, Ocean Way Drums, none of them will cover everyone's favorite tone, and for some people, they need to create their tones to be satisfied. Mix is part of the music anyway, sure to the average listener it's not likely a big deal, but I would guess most of the people in this thread are creating their own music, so I wouldn't consider us the average listeners, and to me, the mix is just as important as the music, I need to be completely satisfied with both aspects of a song.

 

[lolzgreg]

If that were the case, then you wouldn't care if you used SSD, or some stock Roland V-Drum sounds. It's just a matter of taste, Superior, SSD, BFD, Ocean Way Drums, none of them will cover everyone's favorite tone, and for some people, they need to create their tones to be satisfied. Mix is part of the music anyway, sure to the average listener it's not likely a big deal, but I would guess most of the people in this thread are creating their own music, so I wouldn't consider us the average listeners, and to me, the mix is just as important as the music, I need to be completely satisfied with both aspects of a song.

+6.

 

[Rex Rocker]

Steve, the money is in my bank account waiting to buy EX, and I can't proceed with my EP until I do, so...please hurry!

+1... I tried really hard to get LE with a couple of different debit cards, but I think I want EX to be released before I start trying again, this time with a credit card!

 

[Pablo333]

I got Slate cause "I" wanted to use great sounds, but, outside of your "mixing/production" comfort zone , people dont care what you used to get it "there" - if the music is shit , no production will save it.

 

[Cyrosis]

I got Slate cause "I" wanted to use great sounds,

Well that is my point exactly, I like to use great sounds too, it's just my definition of a great drum sound is different then yours. Aside from that, I simply enjoy mixing.

 

[Fox Mulder]

I'd love to hear something sometime if you've got some song with any of my samples on it?

You will, soon. I'm using those for an album I'm working on with my band.