Steven Wilson Solo album!!!

[Koi]

oh stfu ffs he-man...
i don't have money to buy any albums right now, but i'm not judging anyone...

 

[Kenneth R.]

I really like this album. I dig drone atmospheric landscapes.

 

[Arjen W.]

oh, it's SURELY not his best?

seriously, music is a matter of taste, so stop fucking arguing what is right and wrong...
I think that the atmosphere of the album is like nothing Steven has ever done before,well...possibly a little bit with Noman, the emotions he manages to accomplish actually matter to me, and i actually think that this just might be one of his best, so stop trying to convince people that you are right and others are wrong, there simply is no right or wrong in music, so there is absolutely nothing to argue about, just to share a personal view of what makes music for you.
Have you ever tried to put a chilling feeling from music into words? It can even be pure nostalgy, can you write the feeling of nostalgy into words? Do you have a feelign you're searching for in music, if so, can you explain it? Can you actually in words tell people why you like music? Why even argue?

Affinity: so once you saw the price tag you chose not to like it?

Erm, yeah, of course music is a matter of taste. People could add 'in my opinion' after every post they make, but I think subjectiveness when talking about art is kind of implicit. I don't know if your whole post was directed just at me, but I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I agree with you that some people are trying too hard to bash or praise certain artists, but after all this is a music-related forum, you come here to discuss music. There's nothing wrong with arguing about wheter a certain band is 'good' or 'bad' (whatever that may mean), as long as the discussion is a bit reasonable. On some level, yes, I think you can definitely state reasons for liking or disliking certain music. On the other hand, don't take it too serious, for it's indeed dependant on the eye of the beholder.

Furthermore, I wasn't bashing Wilson at all, I definitely like the new record, I just think some of his previous work was better. In my opinion. There you go. And yes, you're right, I haven't listened to the record enough yet for a final opinion, but after about three spins I think I have a pretty good indication of how much I like it.

 

[RoadKing]

its very much like chewing food. just because you chew it longer doesnt mean it doesnt taste like a piece of shit.

You see, this is the flaw in your logic. In keeping with your food analogy, a lot of people might love the taste of a certain type of food, let's say a curry dish for instance, while others might hate it. It doesn't make it WRONG to the individual who loves it to enjoy it, just as it doesn't make it wrong for the guy who hates it not to dig it. You're making the common mistake of confusing your OPINION for FACT and expecting everyone else to do the same.

I hate to break it to ya, bud, but it just doesn't work that way. You're obviously in the SW Haters Club, and that's cool, to someone with that point of view, the LE ISN'T worth the $75.00 asking price. For those on the other side of the fence however, who love the guy's music in all its many diverse incarnations, the opinion is likely to differ significantly, which doesn't render anyone "right" or "wrong". The problem I have with you is your insinuation that someone else is STUPID for disagreeing with you by thinking it IS worth it. Narcissist much?! And this just in, many of us DO fondly remember the glory days of vinyl and how much the packaging was an integral part of the joy of buying an anticipated new release. I used to love bringing home a new album, cracking it open, turning up the headphones, burning a bowl and reading all the liner notes, lyrics and whatever other funky-cool bonus artwork, posters, etc. that might come with it.

Steven talks about this on the Insurgentes film trailer on the DVD, and I can totally relate. As to whether or not the particular packaging is "worth it" on this specific release, that's ENTIRELY subjective and up to the person who buys it.

Personally, and I've been waiting a few days to make sure I got several listens in, as this is a very demanding, yet rewarding record from a listener standpoint; it's taken me probably 10 full listens to really start to fully appreciate it. I was actually a bit disappointed at first, but it's finally started to really grow on me, and I'm satisfied with the return on my investment. The book really is of excellent quality, and the photos are mostly very nice artistic images, worthy of repeated viewing and perusal, and they compliment the listening experience quite nicely. Also, $75 isn't really that big a deal to a lot of us, and is well worth it to support an artist who's material we're passionate about.

As for the music itself, I've come to the conclusion that Porcupine Tree is easily (and will always be) my favorite SW project, and I still prefer most of PT's material over this record, but not by all that much, and the gap has started to close now that I've given it the quality time that it both deserves and demands.

The DVD is a bit unintentionally humorous at times, the ipod smashing/shooting antics are a tad over the top, and Steven definitely takes himself a little too seriously at times, to the point of arrogance, but he's hardly the first truly brilliant artist to display these characteristics. Most of the great ones are rather eccentric and arrogant, and ultimately, I couldn't care less so long as the music is worthy of it, which in Steven Wilson's case, for a whole lot of us, anyway, it most certainly IS.

You don't like the guy, fine, I can handle that, but berating an artist with more true talent than any of us here can even dream of for his arrogance and self involvement while simultaneously giving other people shit simply because they display the temerity not to share your opinion really does come across as rather hypocritical, don'tcha think?

 

[foodforthegods]

I like when people are aguing about music. When they have a real opinion. Thing I hate is when someone says it sucks!!!it's shit!! this is not arguing. This is not even a solid opinion. Please elaborate.

 

[Koi]

You see, this is the flaw in your logic. In keeping with your food analogy, a lot of people might love the taste of a certain type of food, let's say a curry dish for instance, while others might hate it. It doesn't make it WRONG to the individual who loves it to enjoy it, just as it doesn't make it wrong for the guy who hates it not to dig it. You're making the common mistake of confusing your OPINION for FACT and expecting everyone else to do the same.

I hate to break it to ya, bud, but it just doesn't work that way. You're obviously in the SW Haters Club, and that's cool, to someone with that point of view, the LE ISN'T worth the $75.00 asking price. For those on the other side of the fence however, who love the guy's music in all its many diverse incarnations, the opinion is likely to differ significantly, which doesn't render anyone "right" or "wrong". The problem I have with you is your insinuation that someone else is STUPID for disagreeing with you by thinking it IS worth it. Narcissist much?! And this just in, many of us DO fondly remember the glory days of vinyl and how much the packaging was an integral part of the joy of buying an anticipated new release. I used to love bringing home a new album, cracking it open, turning up the headphones, burning a bowl and reading all the liner notes, lyrics and whatever other funky-cool bonus artwork, posters, etc. that might come with it.

Steven talks about this on the Insurgentes film trailer on the DVD, and I can totally relate. As to whether or not the particular packaging is "worth it" on this specific release, that's ENTIRELY subjective and up to the person who buys it.

Personally, and I've been waiting a few days to make sure I got several listens in, as this is a very demanding, yet rewarding record from a listener standpoint; it's taken me probably 10 full listens to really start to fully appreciate it. I was actually a bit disappointed at first, but it's finally started to really grow on me, and I'm satisfied with the return on my investment. The book really is of excellent quality, and the photos are mostly very nice artistic images, worthy of repeated viewing and perusal, and they compliment the listening experience quite nicely. Also, $75 isn't really that big a deal to a lot of us, and is well worth it to support an artist who's material we're passionate about.

As for the music itself, I've come to the conclusion that Porcupine Tree is easily (and will always be) my favorite SW project, and I still prefer most of PT's material over this record, but not by all that much, and the gap has started to close now that I've given it the quality time that it both deserves and demands.

The DVD is a bit unintentionally humorous at times, the ipod smashing/shooting antics are a tad over the top, and Steven definitely takes himself a little too seriously at times, to the point of arrogance, but he's hardly the first truly brilliant artist to display these characteristics. Most of the great ones are rather eccentric and arrogant, and ultimately, I couldn't care less so long as the music is worthy of it, which in Steven Wilson's case, for a whole lot of us, anyway, it most certainly IS.

You don't like the guy, fine, I can handle that, but berating an artist with more true talent than any of us here can even dream of for his arrogance and self involvement while simultaneously giving other people shit simply because they display the temerity not to share your opinion really does come across as rather hypocritical, don'tcha think?

.

 

[Fields Of Sorrow]

You see, this is the flaw in your logic. In keeping with your food analogy, a lot of people might love the taste of a certain type of food, let's say a curry dish for instance, while others might hate it. It doesn't make it WRONG to the individual who loves it to enjoy it, just as it doesn't make it wrong for the guy who hates it not to dig it. You're making the common mistake of confusing your OPINION for FACT and expecting everyone else to do the same.

I hate to break it to ya, bud, but it just doesn't work that way. You're obviously in the SW Haters Club, and that's cool, to someone with that point of view, the LE ISN'T worth the $75.00 asking price. For those on the other side of the fence however, who love the guy's music in all its many diverse incarnations, the opinion is likely to differ significantly, which doesn't render anyone "right" or "wrong". The problem I have with you is your insinuation that someone else is STUPID for disagreeing with you by thinking it IS worth it. Narcissist much?! And this just in, many of us DO fondly remember the glory days of vinyl and how much the packaging was an integral part of the joy of buying an anticipated new release. I used to love bringing home a new album, cracking it open, turning up the headphones, burning a bowl and reading all the liner notes, lyrics and whatever other funky-cool bonus artwork, posters, etc. that might come with it.

Steven talks about this on the Insurgentes film trailer on the DVD, and I can totally relate. As to whether or not the particular packaging is "worth it" on this specific release, that's ENTIRELY subjective and up to the person who buys it.

Personally, and I've been waiting a few days to make sure I got several listens in, as this is a very demanding, yet rewarding record from a listener standpoint; it's taken me probably 10 full listens to really start to fully appreciate it. I was actually a bit disappointed at first, but it's finally started to really grow on me, and I'm satisfied with the return on my investment. The book really is of excellent quality, and the photos are mostly very nice artistic images, worthy of repeated viewing and perusal, and they compliment the listening experience quite nicely. Also, $75 isn't really that big a deal to a lot of us, and is well worth it to support an artist who's material we're passionate about.

As for the music itself, I've come to the conclusion that Porcupine Tree is easily (and will always be) my favorite SW project, and I still prefer most of PT's material over this record, but not by all that much, and the gap has started to close now that I've given it the quality time that it both deserves and demands.

The DVD is a bit unintentionally humorous at times, the ipod smashing/shooting antics are a tad over the top, and Steven definitely takes himself a little too seriously at times, to the point of arrogance, but he's hardly the first truly brilliant artist to display these characteristics. Most of the great ones are rather eccentric and arrogant, and ultimately, I couldn't care less so long as the music is worthy of it, which in Steven Wilson's case, for a whole lot of us, anyway, it most certainly IS.

You don't like the guy, fine, I can handle that, but berating an artist with more true talent than any of us here can even dream of for his arrogance and self involvement while simultaneously giving other people shit simply because they display the temerity not to share your opinion really does come across as rather hypocritical, don'tcha think?

Fucking spot on.

The album owns.

 

[Ruun]

this was the longest post by a normal human beeing ive ever seen in my entire life, grats for that

 

[i aint play this]

I will give this album a go.

 

[RoadKing]

this was the longest post by a normal human beeing ive ever seen in my entire life, grats for that

Why thank you! Hope I didn't tire your eyes too much. Next time I'll make sure to start with a Visene-Alert!

 

[i aint play this]

That post is simply the longest thing ever.

Christ.

 

[RoadKing]

That post is simply the longest thing ever.

Christ.

Oh quit whining and read a little. Jeezus, you act like it's going to kill you!

 

[i aint play this]

bUt It diD i'M a DeAd mAn nOw

 

[RoadKing]

bUt It diD i'M a DeAd mAn nOw

:zombie:

 

[legendes_oubliees]

I'm curious to hear Mike's opinion on this album

 

[Kushantaiidan]

Hi, I'm mike. Everytime I hear this album, I pee a little, in my pants. Only a little bit though.

 

[Bleakest Harvest]

You see, this is the flaw in your logic. In keeping with your food analogy, a lot of people might love the taste of a certain type of food, let's say a curry dish for instance, while others might hate it. It doesn't make it WRONG to the individual who loves it to enjoy it, just as it doesn't make it wrong for the guy who hates it not to dig it. You're making the common mistake of confusing your OPINION for FACT and expecting everyone else to do the same.

I hate to break it to ya, bud, but it just doesn't work that way. You're obviously in the SW Haters Club, and that's cool, to someone with that point of view, the LE ISN'T worth the $75.00 asking price. For those on the other side of the fence however, who love the guy's music in all its many diverse incarnations, the opinion is likely to differ significantly, which doesn't render anyone "right" or "wrong". The problem I have with you is your insinuation that someone else is STUPID for disagreeing with you by thinking it IS worth it. Narcissist much?! And this just in, many of us DO fondly remember the glory days of vinyl and how much the packaging was an integral part of the joy of buying an anticipated new release. I used to love bringing home a new album, cracking it open, turning up the headphones, burning a bowl and reading all the liner notes, lyrics and whatever other funky-cool bonus artwork, posters, etc. that might come with it.

Steven talks about this on the Insurgentes film trailer on the DVD, and I can totally relate. As to whether or not the particular packaging is "worth it" on this specific release, that's ENTIRELY subjective and up to the person who buys it.

Personally, and I've been waiting a few days to make sure I got several listens in, as this is a very demanding, yet rewarding record from a listener standpoint; it's taken me probably 10 full listens to really start to fully appreciate it. I was actually a bit disappointed at first, but it's finally started to really grow on me, and I'm satisfied with the return on my investment. The book really is of excellent quality, and the photos are mostly very nice artistic images, worthy of repeated viewing and perusal, and they compliment the listening experience quite nicely. Also, $75 isn't really that big a deal to a lot of us, and is well worth it to support an artist who's material we're passionate about.

As for the music itself, I've come to the conclusion that Porcupine Tree is easily (and will always be) my favorite SW project, and I still prefer most of PT's material over this record, but not by all that much, and the gap has started to close now that I've given it the quality time that it both deserves and demands.

The DVD is a bit unintentionally humorous at times, the ipod smashing/shooting antics are a tad over the top, and Steven definitely takes himself a little too seriously at times, to the point of arrogance, but he's hardly the first truly brilliant artist to display these characteristics. Most of the great ones are rather eccentric and arrogant, and ultimately, I couldn't care less so long as the music is worthy of it, which in Steven Wilson's case, for a whole lot of us, anyway, it most certainly IS.

You don't like the guy, fine, I can handle that, but berating an artist with more true talent than any of us here can even dream of for his arrogance and self involvement while simultaneously giving other people shit simply because they display the temerity not to share your opinion really does come across as rather hypocritical, don'tcha think?

+1

 

[Don Corleone]

the sonofabitch did it again
wow, what an amazing album

just when you start to think that you've heard all the music in the world and that nothing else can surprise you...BANG. steven wilson releases a masterpiece that you cant give up listening

 

[TEDIUM]

I'm curious to hear Mike's opinion on this album

I actually asked Mike about it way back at the Sept. 27th gig, and he said he'd only heard one track but that it was "absolutely unlistenable, but that's what [Steven Wilson] wants."

 

[sundance]

I doubt that he said that... precisely, I doubt that SW wants to make "unlistenable" music