Steven Wilson Solo album!!!

wow thats a pretty intelligent statement. no one ever reading what i wrote would have thought to themselves 'that cant be opinion, thats an objective fact.'

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well, it's only healthy if people would stay clear with that and not throw statements here and there that can be confused as fact, because as i'm sure you know there actually lurk people here feeding people with what to think as if they were the ones to judge.
 
wow thats a pretty intelligent statement. no one ever reading what i wrote would have thought to themselves 'that cant be opinion, thats an objective fact.'

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Not that you attempted to present it as an objective fact, or anything... :rolleyes:
 
You see, this is the flaw in your logic. In keeping with your food analogy, a lot of people might love the taste of a certain type of food, let's say a curry dish for instance, while others might hate it. It doesn't make it WRONG to the individual who loves it to enjoy it, just as it doesn't make it wrong for the guy who hates it not to dig it. You're making the common mistake of confusing your OPINION for FACT and expecting everyone else to do the same.

I hate to break it to ya, bud, but it just doesn't work that way. You're obviously in the SW Haters Club, and that's cool, to someone with that point of view, the LE ISN'T worth the $75.00 asking price. For those on the other side of the fence however, who love the guy's music in all its many diverse incarnations, the opinion is likely to differ significantly, which doesn't render anyone "right" or "wrong". The problem I have with you is your insinuation that someone else is STUPID for disagreeing with you by thinking it IS worth it. Narcissist much?! And this just in, many of us DO fondly remember the glory days of vinyl and how much the packaging was an integral part of the joy of buying an anticipated new release. I used to love bringing home a new album, cracking it open, turning up the headphones, burning a bowl and reading all the liner notes, lyrics and whatever other funky-cool bonus artwork, posters, etc. that might come with it.

Steven talks about this on the Insurgentes film trailer on the DVD, and I can totally relate. As to whether or not the particular packaging is "worth it" on this specific release, that's ENTIRELY subjective and up to the person who buys it.

Personally, and I've been waiting a few days to make sure I got several listens in, as this is a very demanding, yet rewarding record from a listener standpoint; it's taken me probably 10 full listens to really start to fully appreciate it. I was actually a bit disappointed at first, but it's finally started to really grow on me, and I'm satisfied with the return on my investment. The book really is of excellent quality, and the photos are mostly very nice artistic images, worthy of repeated viewing and perusal, and they compliment the listening experience quite nicely. Also, $75 isn't really that big a deal to a lot of us, and is well worth it to support an artist who's material we're passionate about.

As for the music itself, I've come to the conclusion that Porcupine Tree is easily (and will always be) my favorite SW project, and I still prefer most of PT's material over this record, but not by all that much, and the gap has started to close now that I've given it the quality time that it both deserves and demands.

The DVD is a bit unintentionally humorous at times, the ipod smashing/shooting antics are a tad over the top, and Steven definitely takes himself a little too seriously at times, to the point of arrogance, but he's hardly the first truly brilliant artist to display these characteristics. Most of the great ones are rather eccentric and arrogant, and ultimately, I couldn't care less so long as the music is worthy of it, which in Steven Wilson's case, for a whole lot of us, anyway, it most certainly IS.

You don't like the guy, fine, I can handle that, but berating an artist with more true talent than any of us here can even dream of for his arrogance and self involvement while simultaneously giving other people shit simply because they display the temerity not to share your opinion really does come across as rather hypocritical, don'tcha think?

lol holy shit

err i love early pt stuff but i was just putting it in a black and white sense. sure theres more too it though, if ya like.

but yeah, shit tastes like shit regardless if you like the taste of shit. i dont lol but some may find it rather appetizing, much like this album.
 
Wow........ It seems that the opinions on here are on two completely different ends of the spectrum, which is good, because it shows a wide demographic on this forum. As for myself, I can't help but listen to this album 10 times and still not get tired of it or completely digest it. *Prepares to get either flamed, or agreed with*
 
lol holy shit

err i love early pt stuff but i was just putting it in a black and white sense. sure theres more too it though, if ya like.

but yeah, shit tastes like shit regardless if you like the taste of shit. i dont lol but some may find it rather appetizing, much like this album.

Jeez... now you've gone and completely reduced yourself to nothing but a flame-baiting troll. How... unexpected. :Smug:

Still, considering the content and worth of your contributions to this forum, consisting entirely of negative, predictable, adolescent trolling, ultimately amounting to an enormous, steaming pile of that which you seem to have a fascination with the taste of, I suppose we probably all should consider your learned opinion on the subject a little more seriously.

I mean, obviously you seem to have much more experience and first hand knowledge of what shit tastes like than the rest of us, which would certainly explain the rather acrid aroma that seems to follow you from thread to thread, so perhaps we should all wait and confer with you before we buy any new musical release, so that you may breathe in its bouquet and tell us all what it had for dinner first.

Or not.

Get over yourself, bro... seriously. :cool:

P.S. The cd/dvd limited edition I bought has now doubled in value only a week after shipping. Looks like a pretty damned good investment after all, doesn't it? :lol:
 
Wow........ It seems that the opinions on here are on two completely different ends of the spectrum, which is good, because it shows a wide demographic on this forum. As for myself, I can't help but listen to this album 10 times and still not get tired of it or completely digest it. *Prepares to get either flamed, or agreed with*

Well obviously steven has grown an anti-fanclub, it happens to every band when they get bigger. It seems that people need to really hate or love this album to have their voices heard. I really do love this album though, it's everything i hoped it to be. Sure i can understand when people think it's okay or nothing special, but calling it a pile of shit is just to get noticed and start a discussion, it's not as fun to say it's nothing special as saying holy fuckjin omfg pileshitz!
 
Jeez... now you've gone and completely reduced yourself to nothing but a flame-baiting troll. How... unexpected. :Smug:

Still, considering the content and worth of your contributions to this forum, consisting entirely of negative, predictable, adolescent trolling, ultimately amounting to an enormous, steaming pile of that which you seem to have a fascination with the taste of, I suppose we probably all should consider your learned opinion on the subject a little more seriously.

I mean, obviously you seem to have much more experience and first hand knowledge of what shit tastes like than the rest of us, which would certainly explain the rather acrid aroma that seems to follow you from thread to thread, so perhaps we should all wait and confer with you before we buy any new musical release, so that you may breathe in its bouquet and tell us all what it had for dinner first.

Or not.

Get over yourself, bro... seriously. :cool:

P.S. The cd/dvd limited edition I bought has now doubled in value only a week after shipping. Looks like a pretty damned good investment after all, doesn't it? :lol:

are you even aware that most people skip your posts
 
it most certainly is a clusterfuck of semi-thought through pretentia

just my ~*~ opinion ~*~ of course...