Sum experimental metal up your mama

[ooG]

I was kinda too embarrassed to show off this and I removed the url, but here it is again
http://www.students.tut.fi/~karjalat/medeia/medeia_medeia.mp3
Sounds are what they are

www.medeia.cjb.net

 

[futurebre]

Holly shit! :hotjump:

Badass song /,,/
The riffs remind of Cannibal Corpse
And great sounds you have made!

 

[DecTV]

Medeia seems to have changed a lot musically since the last time I heard them (-02) and I mean that in a positive way. Cheers to Teemu.

 

[Ermz]

That's pretty awesome. Only points I can critize is the fact that I don't like the voalist's style much, and the snare seems to have a bit too much room mixed in. But great stuff... sounds real brutal

 

[Ola Englund]

Damn I really dig the guitarplaying in that song! I second the snare issue too...

 

[DIOBOLIC5150]

That's damn heavy. With better production, that would really be something. Good songwriting.

 

[ooG]

Thanks for the kind words. It would be truly nice if we could afford a proper production. It's really strange for me to produce these vocal parts on my own because there is no objectivity involved.
I have tried many kinds of things but haven't found a better solution than one dry and one squashed vocal track on the centre. When I try layering and stuff, there just seems to be too much harmonic content. Also I don't know how I could catch the energy and breathyness of a performance done with a handheld dynamic mic. Sound is somewhat better but something seems to get lost on the way when singing to a condenser on a stand.

I reckon the problem with the snare. Afaik it is because it bleeds so much to toms and overheads that when I try to bring it up, it starts to sound cardboardboxy. Dunno. Don't want to go into gating because it just kills everything. How do you guys prevent bleeding from screwing up the attack?

If anyone is interested, here is a demo version of one of one another song. It is captured with few mics and me singing to a 58. Kinda like the vibe on that.

http://www.students.tut.fi/~karjalat/medeia_shards_demoshit.mp3

 

[DIOBOLIC5150]

You know, I think that one sounds awesome the way it is. It's very raw and grindy. I think if it was too produced it would take away from that live feel you've got going on. The vocals sound killer on that on IMO.

 

[006]

Usually it helps to have some acoustic treatments on the walls where you are tracking drums to kind of absorb the waves and keep them from bouncing back at the mics, thus killing off some of the room that gets recorded. Other than that, I usually just mic every single peice of the kit (besides cymbals) seperately, and VERY close, as to eliminate the need for a lot of gating in post. I usually end up with very little bleed somehow, and very little gating. I guess it's just dependant on what you have and how you use it. For cymbals I use two overheads (usually, sometimes more depending on the size/spread of the cymbals around the set. And I ALWAYS mic up the ride(s) seperately. I think the most gating I do is on the overheads actually, mostly to kill off the tom bleeds. Hmm. Yep.

~006

 

[LynchpiN]

Hey 006, funny how people work differently ... I gate everything, but the overheads.
I gate the hell out of toms, except when I want some vintage rock sound.
In my belief, there's no need to be afraid of gating, if you want the drum to sound alive, try placing a good room mic.
To take the cardboard out of the snare I cut around 450 Hz, helps a lot.
Not to screw the attack: very quick attack, medium release on the gate.

 

[006]

Oh yeah man, I agree in the whole gate like you love it, lol. I just meant my typical approach was described above. For when I've done more.."vintage" sounding bands, I'll let off the gates a lot, if I even use them, just because it makes the drums sound more raw, and more real to the sound they are wanting. For very technical metal stuff that I rarely get to do, , I will gate EVERY SINGLE THING, lol. No joke. I will use a gate on everything that is mic'ed, even if it's just a tiny bit of gating, I'll still have it, just to get the MOST tight sound possible from the drums through the mics. Again, it depends on what you are doing, the mics, the band...all that. And yeah the 450 area is a great starting point to kill off any cardboardiness. Mhmm.

~006