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What about Myke Terry, the new Bury Your Dead singer? Wasn't a fan of the new album, but I saw them live a month or so ago with Parkway Drive and I haven't seen many singers that dominate the stage like he does.
That is no racist statement but...
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And black slave music came from spiritual Christian music meaning black metal is just a more evolved form of Christian music. Of course virtually all music evolved from some other music, but that doesn't suggest that the cultures they spawn cohere together as if there were no distinction.
It's no coincidence that an Outkast concert is more likely to attract blacks than pretty much any metal act out there. We can discuss this phenomenon intelligently without pretending like it doesn't exist.
Well said, I hate when people do the whole influence tracing thing; while it may be true, it has little bearing on what the music has become, just like people who might start an organization with certain ideals might despise what it becomes when the majority of the organization takes it in a different direction.
One could say that you and everyone else are pretending it DOES exist. Perhaps it's easier for you to understand the world via a bunch of archetypes, stereotypes, and metaphors, rather than to treat people as people, individual and collective in a romantic paradox.
Listen.. open message to everyone: Please don't think that any kind of music belongs to any kind of people.. it doesn't. That is a fallacy projected by musicologists who tend to write and write and write about music, instead of actually cultivating the ears to create it.
If I went to Africa, and started to learn to drum like the people do there, and then started emulating that style back home in good ol' Blighty, and focused on it and harnessed it as my own... it would not be me playing African music any longer.. (no matter what NME or MTV told the world, heh) it would be me taking something I've heard, and infusing it into my own sense of creativity.
That's what music is, and I can deal without all of the lines and separators. If you really need the lines and separators so you know what genre or style of music you're playing, I'd seriously suggest you give some thought as to why you're involved in music in the first place.
Harsh.. but my beliefs, so I'm not going to apologize for them.
PS: The reason that an Outkast concert is more frequented by black people is because it is AIMED at black people by the marketing executives and the media tycoons.
pps: My girlfriend is Japanese. She doesn't just listen to j-pop. She enjoys Tool, ISIS, Meshuggah, Aphex Twin, Boards of Canada, and a whole gamut of different types of music - as do I. If she can get over the idea of Japanese culture, and indoctrinate elements of other cultures into her own personal culture (something we all have) then I'm sure everyone else can too.
ppps: I refute the implication that because I don't agree with what's being said here that I'm not intelligent. That is known in some circles as an ad hominem, or an attack on the persons character/beliefs without addressing the actual argument.
pppps: Last one
There is a bunch of hip-hop I like, there is a bunch of classical music I like, I really like the sound of sitars, shamisens, and koto's, and I'm generally open minded about what I listen to. I listen to bird noises when I'm in the mood ffs!
I'll close my ears when I'm dead.
Have a good day.
I think we're in agreement for the most part, just tossing semantics around for the helluv it!
I agree with you. Which is why I don't think the lack of abundance of black people in metal is an important discussion. Some people do feel it is an important discussion, because they feel there is a racial issue at the heart of it.. I think those people just think too much.
Ermm, while I fully understand and acknowledge your statements I have to disagree with this last post of yours.
First of all importance is subjective, while the absense of black people in metal is an objective fact. I was just wondering why. Of course it has to do with the race here but it's just a pointer everybody can see. I don't know if 99% of metal people cut their armwrists or drink beer, I can only estimate that. You get the idea.
And how can someone think too much? Please elaborate. I've heard that people DON'T think enough but too much? What's wrong with that? I certainly won't get any brain damage from that...
Cheers
The absence of black people in metal is not an objective fact, it is your viewpoint. Metal is far too big and far too widespread for anyone to actually know the numbers of people who are black or white, most people don't think about music on that basis, which is why it is hard for people to come up with a nice pretty list to disprove your statement wrong. This is where you've got us all by the balls, because you can keep saying "objective fact" and we have no objective means of disproving that fact, it isn't like we can round up all the people who like metal and count them!
I wish you to elaborate on just exactly why you think its important to discuss this, do you perceive the lack of black people in metal as some kind of injustice??
I work with a guy who is Indian by heritage. He doesn't like metal because he finds it too whiny, and it just doesn't relate to his mentality and lifestyle. I played him some Tool, and he thought it was good, but still too whiny - although he conceded that it was better than most of the tripe that passes for metal.
But he loves jazz and fusion and hip-hop and decent psyche stuff like the Beatles, just as an example. He's not stuck listening to damn Ravi Shankar just because of his Indian heritage.... so why would black people??
Your argument makes no sense. You've perceived something, yet you project it as objective fact. You've witnessed a scene from a certain angle, and you're presenting it as all angles. Yet we here are telling you different, and you still wont accept our viewpoints as being valid - you insist that we're not seeing correctly.
Perhaps it is you who is not seeing correctly?
We can discuss this.. but its a waste of time. Effectively all I'm doing right now is typing so that I don't have to put shoes on and go to work for another 5 minutes...
I wish you to elaborate on just exactly why you think its important to discuss this, do you perceive the lack of black people in metal as some kind of injustice??
I work with a guy who is Indian by heritage. He doesn't like metal because he finds it too whiny, and it just doesn't relate to his mentality and lifestyle. I played him some Tool, and he thought it was good, but still too whiny - although he conceded that it was better than most of the tripe that passes for metal.
But he loves jazz and fusion and hip-hop and decent psyche stuff like the Beatles, just as an example. He's not stuck listening to damn Ravi Shankar just because of his Indian heritage.... so why would black people??
Your argument makes no sense. You've perceived something, yet you project it as objective fact. You've witnessed a scene from a certain angle, and you're presenting it as all angles. Yet we here are telling you different, and you still wont accept our viewpoints as being valid - you insist that we're not seeing correctly.
Perhaps it is you who is not seeing correctly?
We can discuss this.. but its a waste of time. Effectively all I'm doing right now is typing so that I don't have to put shoes on and go to work for another 5 minutes...
Oh, and someone can think too much by taking a thread to 4 pages, whilst discovering nothing new, and essentially flogging a dead horse.
This is a forum. It is made for discussions. You're free to ignore posts you don't think are important.
I discovered some new bands I'd like to look into from this thread. I discovered, yet again, that people around here are pretty open-minded which I salute while others are being pretty narrow-minded^^
And it is not only my viewpoint that it is an objective fact. Dude, go to a fuckin' big metal festival where you'll met hundreds of thousands of metalheads in one place. Be it in the US, Europe or anywhere else. Then, just look at how many black people you'll find. It is just an example, don't nail me down on it.
I was just wondering, man, I didn't find an answer to my initial question before I posted it. I find it interesting and I find it worthwhile to discuss.
I did not argue with anyone but you. I don't like your attitude, your pointing at me and bashing me without reason. No need to go personal just because you feel others misunderstand you. Please look into the mirror before you go outside, thanks.
And if you think it is a waste of time discussing this please refrain from posting, at least that would be logical. :Smug:
True dat.
Am I to assume that you are infering that I am narrow-minded?
I worked for three years at various festivals around the UK during the summers of 2005, 2006, 2007 - also plenty of metal gigs at Shepherds Bush Empire, and Brixton Academy. I've sold t-shirts and band merchandise at these places, for a company that gets contracted to sell the merch.
So I can safely say that I've seen a LOT of ethnic minorities at these shows.
Okay, there may have been 100 white people and only 80 black people.. but man.. are you really trying to say that the difference of 20 is a massive chasm of racism and injustice??
That's cool, you're free to do what you want.
Look, slow down.. you're attacking my character yet again (ad hominem argument) without addressing my actual arguement.
You must have very thin skin, because the only thing I did that could possibly be called "bashing" was I said the question you're posing was a dumb one... hell, that isn't even an attack on you, rather an attack on the question. So for all intents and purposes, I have not bashed you once!!
You have no place using words like logical.
I'll repeat:
Meh, forget about it. You get me wrong, I get you wrong. Let's leave it like that 
If you don't wanna see where you're attacking me on a personal scale I give up. It's OT anyways.
Cheers!
If you don't wanna see where you're attacking me on a personal scale I give up. It's OT anyways.
Cheers!
There is, in fact, no such thing as thinking too much. What you're speaking of is referred to as 'jacking off to how smart one thinks he is'.
Jeff
No, that wasn't a personal attack against anyone. I really mean that there is no such thing as thinking too much - but thinking about stupid bullshit is a definite possibility.
Jeff
Jeff
That was fun to read! How many gay's are there in metal?
I only got Rob Halford. I never really thought about it though.
You mean how many "openly gay" people there are in metal?
My friend, who has excellent gaydar(you don't have to believe in gaydar if you don't want to), says that Dave Mustaine has homosexual tendencies. At first, I was like "Yeah right." But then again, this friend is always on the dot at pointing out closet gays.
Who knows.
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Hails to all!
New board member here. I won't be starting my involvement with questions about what mic to use with my behringer v-amp and home hi-fi to make it sound like a dual rectifier, because
a) That's a bit stupid, and
b) I HAVE spent weeks hanging around this site reading all the threads and findin' stuff out. Many new facts have already been assimilated for which you have my humble thanks.
And now...
Kerry King.
New board member here. I won't be starting my involvement with questions about what mic to use with my behringer v-amp and home hi-fi to make it sound like a dual rectifier, because
a) That's a bit stupid, and
b) I HAVE spent weeks hanging around this site reading all the threads and findin' stuff out. Many new facts have already been assimilated for which you have my humble thanks.
And now...
That was fun to read! How many gay's are there in metal?
I only got Rob Halford. I never really thought about it though.
Kerry King.
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