So much faceless hate! I know they aren't really inventing anything new, but the are great musicians and their music isn't that bad. I saw them live and they played tighter than necrophagist, and in that kind of music, that is a feat. I'm not a huge fan of between the buried and me, but I saw them live and the destroyed as well. They nailed every solo, ever cymbal hit, every thing. The only reason I mention them as well is b/c they have that whole core element in there stuff as well. Who cares if a bunch of sceney's like a band, that doesn't mean the band sucks. I know alot of you are put off by the the sceney trend whores and their lame 'dancing' but don't let that frustration blur your judgment or rather, dictate it.