The Great Pyramid of Giza

Seriously...

If you are going to approach that which you do not know, with an attitude like you already know it, then why look in the first place? Is that how you learned audio, or were you more open minded about that?
 
If you are going to approach that which you do not know, with an attitude like you already know it, then why look in the first place? Is that how you learned audio, or were you more open minded about that?

My point was "why those people always de-credibilise themselves by being their own cliché ?"

If I looked in the first place, it is because I was curious about this pre-civilization. It could have been something serious, about a civilization I didn't know that would be pre-egytpian. But no, it has to be aliens that came from their 4th dimension shape and blabla. I tried to read a bit more but closed the tab, it was already too much nonsense for me. None of this is even remotely proven, yet it's 10 times more complicated than any other theory ever.

If there is a good read about this pre-civilization, I would be happy to get it, but if I stumble upon pictures of cosmonauts in front of a shiny 5th dimensional pyramid, and a text that starts right away by assuming the truth is there has been aliens that created us in egypt (btw probably easily in contradiction with evolution theory) and blabla... I find it VERY ironic that I am the one who is close minded and thinks he knows the truth.

I'm sorry but to me, those who are close-minded are those who eat these affabulations, because their mind is not strong enough to discern the probable and the proven (to acceptable methods, until someone proves it wrong and on and on) from the fantasy. The funny thing is that they think they think out of the box, while in fact they just jump in anything they are fed with.
 
If you are going to approach that which you do not know, with an attitude like you already know it, then why look in the first place? Is that how you learned audio, or were you more open minded about that?

What does that mean? Are you trying to say anything in that quote he quoted is true? Just looking for some clarification here.
 
By the way, 5k years ago, this area was maybe not a desert, and water/grass could have been there, maybe even by the time when they were building the pyramids. I have no idea about the sphynx and all, just saying

BTW what's with this "the sphynx is 10 000 years old" thing you're talking about ? The main theory is that it was built by a pharao, for many reasons (including its look which could be related to one or two of those because of his attributes), and until someone comes with a decent proof it was older than that, I don't know why you people would assume the truth is that it's 10k old or whatever ?


Point taken, as I said, just playing Devil's Advocate..
But can you explain the obvious declination of masonry/architectural skills in the structures built AFTER the pyramids? I would seem more logical that things built afterwards would be of at least the same quality worksmanship if not better. Look at every other civilization. They build something. They teach their sons how they did it. Their sons get even better and more skilled etc. and before you know we have skyscrapers that sway with the wind and motion of the earth. Why is it that a civilization capable of such an amazing work of masonry would regress in terms of architectural skill?
 
What does that mean? Are you trying to say anything in that quote he quoted is true? Just looking for some clarification here.

No, I'm just relating his narrow viewpoint to something we can all relate to. If we were to start speaking Audio with some history/religion heads, they would probably laugh and say we're crazy and then go on with their lives, just like we are doing here now. Audio concepts are just as farfetched and convoluted as anything mentioned in this thread or in any Ancient Egypt theory or text I've ever heard of, yet we all believe it. Why? What's the difference?
 
Point taken, as I said, just playing Devil's Advocate..
But can you explain the obvious declination of masonry/architectural skills in the structures built AFTER the pyramids? I would seem more logical that things built afterwards would be of at least the same quality worksmanship if not better. Look at every other civilization. They build something. They teach their sons how they did it. Their sons get even better and more skilled etc. and before you know we have skyscrapers that sway with the wind and motion of the earth. Why is it that a civilization capable of such an amazing work of masonry would regress in terms of architectural skill?


^ Time and money.
 
By the way, the whole Zep Tepi thing was just something I remembered reading about. I never said it was something I wholly believed in. And I guess its about as plausible as adam and eve, really.
 
you guys are gonna feel pretty fuckin dumb when they find a Neterueanishani library under the Sphinx

just saying

and you are gonna feel pretty fuckin dumb when you find me lying under your wife

just saying


BTT:
maybe there were aliens, maybe santa claus is licking my balls right now...
in the end there are loads of people who spend years and years trying to get to
know as much as possible about this stuff, worked in egypt and so on but the
guys talking about aliens, stuff nobody else ever heard off and so on is right :zzz:
 
I can see the money issue, but time?
Their civilization lasted thousands of years, but the common theory is that they built the great pyramid in only 20 years.
Maybe they got lazy?


I was just taking a guess. I meant to put a question mark, oops.

I'm thinking whoever was in charge and how long they lived had something to do with it. Maybe?
 
But can you explain the obvious declination of masonry/architectural skills in the structures built AFTER the pyramids?

The same reason you don't hear about great Greek and Roman achievements of the last 1,500 years. The same reason Britannia no longer rules the waves.... empires rise, and they fall.
 
Point taken, as I said, just playing Devil's Advocate..
But can you explain the obvious declination of masonry/architectural skills in the structures built AFTER the pyramids? I would seem more logical that things built afterwards would be of at least the same quality worksmanship if not better. Look at every other civilization. They build something. They teach their sons how they did it. Their sons get even better and more skilled etc. and before you know we have skyscrapers that sway with the wind and motion of the earth. Why is it that a civilization capable of such an amazing work of masonry would regress in terms of architectural skill?

There have been examples of obscurantism in history, middle age is a pretty big one (without it, maybe we would have been to space in 1600 or 1700, if you just remove it a dummy way - no scientific reality behind those numbers, just for perspective).

Then again, all it needs is someone to stop doing it. I mean by then, not everyone knew how to read, only scribs, so it's not like they got wikipedia at home, plus if no one orders pyramids anymore, over the centuries and centuries it's understandable people forget about some techniques. All it needs too is someone to fight science or knowledge, by ordering obscurantism himself, because he is nuts and believes in magic more than in his scientists. Some kind of scientific autodafé ? Who knows. I don't think it's unplausible in such a long history at such dark times (for the record, I have no idea about the details of egypt history, i'm just throwing ideas). Even ourselves have no idea about many old civilizations. Not even just some buildings, but whole civilizations, who did write etc. That's even a bigger thing to "lose" in nature than some specific techniques.

Then again, in terms of architectural skills, as awesome as they are, they are just an assembly of blocs on top of each other (until plendakor or GGI find us plans of the inner engines that are presumed hidden and that the general scientists don't want to see). The wonder here is to be able to build it in a lifetime, or the techique vs tools available, not its architecture itself tbh. You cannot fail building a pyramid. Why would the pyramids be a better example of maçonry than houses built later on, with maybe higher size/weight ratios, etc ? (I'm honestly asking)
 
No, I'm just relating his narrow viewpoint to something we can all relate to. If we were to start speaking Audio with some history/religion heads, they would probably laugh and say we're crazy and then go on with their lives, just like we are doing here now. Audio concepts are just as farfetched and convoluted as anything mentioned in this thread or in any Ancient Egypt theory or text I've ever heard of, yet we all believe it. Why? What's the difference?

The difference is that with scientific methods (and not narrow thinking as you are claiming) which WAIT FOR PROOF BEFORE SAYING THE TRUTH IS THERE (what people who build amateur theories seem to fail to understand), people have been able to conceptualise sound, build a theory that is at least proven to work by giving the expected results, and thanks to that you are able to create wonderful audio out of your computer every day.

Give the audio research to the same kind of people who believe in those strange things, and they will start to search into crystals and alignments of them in order to reach the alternate reality where you would be able to catch sound and link it to our own plan of existence... or something like that. And I think it's fair to imagine it would fail ?

Also, just a note... we don't BELIEVE in audio/scientific concepts... their application just works, so until you have something better to give, it's gonna be the current "truth". Or maybe i didn't get what you are talking about.

The problem with you believers is that you think skeptics are negationists. You just constantly fail to realize that. The difference is that we are able to apply judgment on something before we accept it as the current paradigm of truth. If you think you shouldn't trust what you are told as scientifically "true" because "you're too narrow minded to se out of the box and just accept it as it is" then you just don't grasp the thing. That concept doesn't explain why it would be more intelligent or the proof of higher intellect in essence to accept the theory of 5th dimensional entities as our parents as a viable one.
 
No, I'm just relating his narrow viewpoint to something we can all relate to. If we were to start speaking Audio with some history/religion heads, they would probably laugh and say we're crazy and then go on with their lives, just like we are doing here now. Audio concepts are just as farfetched and convoluted as anything mentioned in this thread or in any Ancient Egypt theory or text I've ever heard of, yet we all believe it. Why? What's the difference?

Measurability. If you say that a certain device enhances the harmonics of a sound, and I can both hear that and see it on an analyzer, I have no reason to dispute it. I could show the same thing to someone whom is not into audio and they could reproduce those findings.

If you state the same thing and I can't hear nor see it, I have a good reason to second-guess your statement. If you then proceed to show me your measurements and how you got them, you may very well convince me that I was just doing things wrong.

However, my experience with theories similar to the ones mentioned in this thread is that they are rarely supported well by reproducable measurements. Or even worse, they state that things are "unmeasurable".

That is the thing. It has nothing to do with being open-minded. It is just critical judgement of empirical evidence. If one theory works with simple facts we already know, and another theory needs several factors that have not or cannot be proven, the first theory is just a lot more plausible. Mind you, I'm not saying this means theory A is 100% true. As soon as you can prove that the second theory fits better without any gaping holes, every reasonable person will accept it. But the burden of proof is on the person that makes the statement.

An analogy I often hear in these discussions is that of the discovery of electricity. You know the one I'm sure. It is a major example of something that sounds hard to believe at first turning out to be true in the end. But it is also an example of my point.
The people that thought electricity was a real thing found a way to measure and manipulate it, and so the world accepted it as truth.

If you think you have good reasons to assume something is true, find a way to prove it. If it can't be measured yet, try to discover a tool for it. Until then, expect people to be skeptical. It is only fair to demand this process, because it has been required for every other major discovery in history. Being open-minded shouldn't mean that you accept random information as facts. All it means is that you accept that what you know may be wrong or incomplete.

Btw, I know absolutely nothing about this specific theme. These are just my personal opinions on similar discussions.
 
I apologize earlier in the thread for claiming something I was ignorant of. Though there is a good chunk of evidence showing the sphynx has been eroded by water in some way. The truth is none of us can say any truth's on the matter as were not geologists, anthropologists or Egyptologist. IV never been to Egypt and measured the pyramid or read hieroglyphics. So we ourselves don't know squat bar the opinion's from textbook authors. As for the whole pi ratio thing.. the pyrimid is pretty much a Platonic solid. Therefore it fits in a circle and can be broken into pi.
 
Can anyone please post any historical sources on Egyptians mentioning this so called "ancient civilization" called Zep Tepi?
I'm genuinely interested in reading about it, but google seems to find a very narrow band of results.. all of which seems to be from the guys with tin foil hats.