The Great Pyramid of Giza

Nimvi said:
Measurability.
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EXACTLY! Thank you for understanding my point. We are talking about things which we are removed from by no less than 5000 and up to 20,000 years, and are then diluted by things such as language barriers, lost documents, erosion, educator bias, and oral tradition to name a few. Why can we speak with such certainty about things that did or did not or could not happen when none of us were there? I personally do not have a side to pick on this topic, but I find it to be extremely interesting and want to see it develop. This topic will never develop if entire founded theories and ideas are dismissed after a sentence or even a single word "aliens." This is why I am fighting for a neutral view, I'm not trying to prove alien or spirit intervention... because I can't... I know it, you know it... all I am saying is that we have equal reason to believe in alien intervention as we do a goddamn sand ramp... I just want to see more ideas come into play is all I am saying, and I wish people didn't take such hard stances against new ideas. I apologize if I have offended anyone, I am often not the best at expressing myself... music ;)

Luckily it seems this thread is taking a good turn, so I will look forward to some new developments.
 
Genius Gone Insane said:
Have you looked at the houses that are being built today? (I'm honestly asking). They are shit compared to houses 100 years old .
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I don't know for yours, but today you can do houses which even produce energy more than it consumes, that can be built in a very short time, in the shape you want, etc etc. They are not made of rock, for sure, but the possibilities and what you want is different. I have seen what an old house is... and I wanna avoid having one at all costs now, but that's my personal choice of not wanting to work everyday on it instead of enjoying it !
 
Genius Gone Insane said:
Have you looked at the houses that are being built today? (I'm honestly asking). They are shit compared to houses 100 years old .
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This is actually true.

But it's nothing to do with construction techniques or fairies.

It's to do with companies being cheap as fuck, and making the most disposable product they can make, in order to make the highest amount of profit. Corporate greed and corruption infiltrates every godamn aspect of our society; it never used to be that way. Back in the Edwardian period (as an example), those houses were made to last.
 
LeSedna said:
The difference is that with scientific methods (and not narrow thinking as you are claiming) which WAIT FOR PROOF BEFORE SAYING THE TRUTH IS THERE (what people who build amateur theories seem to fail to understand), people have been able to conceptualise sound, build a theory that is at least proven to work by giving the expected results, and thanks to that you are able to create wonderful audio out of your computer every day.

Give the audio research to the same kind of people who believe in those strange things, and they will start to search into crystals and alignments of them in order to reach the alternate reality where you would be able to catch sound and link it to our own plan of existence... or something like that. And I think it's fair to imagine it would fail ?

Also, just a note... we don't BELIEVE in audio/scientific concepts... their application just works, so until you have something better to give, it's gonna be the current "truth". Or maybe i didn't get what you are talking about.

The problem with you believers is that you think skeptics are negationists. You just constantly fail to realize that. The difference is that we are able to apply judgment on something before we accept it as the current paradigm of truth. If you think you shouldn't trust what you are told as scientifically "true" because "you're too narrow minded to se out of the box and just accept it as it is" then you just don't grasp the thing. That concept doesn't explain why it would be more intelligent or the proof of higher intellect in essence to accept the theory of 5th dimensional entities as our parents as a viable one.
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I love you.
 
That documentary is great just watched it all then. I was only planning to watch a few minutes but got sucked into it. The maths and the knowledge of the earth is amazing. I don't but the ending about a message for future generations being left in the numbers, but most of the other stuff is very credible and the positioning of the sphinx blew my mind. Also the alignment of the other similar structures built around the world and their relation to the equinox was another mind blowing moment. Pi being found everywhere and always divisible buy round numbers, it's fucking insane.
 
Things we need to remember: Always check your sources.
However, i won't discredit this documentary as i haven't seen it.. i will as soon as my connection will allow it(Shitty mobile broadband.).

Edit: I meant that i will see it, not discredit it.. we'll see. :lol:
 
Allright Plendakor, I'm gonna watch this documentary. It sounds way more reasonable than the LSD-hallucinating one about 5th dimensional entities. So far I didn't like the sensationnalism of the intro but I enjoy this kind of documentaries so why not
 
I have watched it all, and I will sum it up in this way :

- I think part I was good because it actually raised my curiosity about the different places where you would find these complicated walls
- I think part II was annoying because after a few good points, it went into total sensational and at some points it made me laugh and then be annoyed. The worst part is when the guy is searching all the proportions possible to find Pi or Phi, including several ones where the fact he uses the meter as an unit has no incidence over the result - I mean he finds "pi in meter" but yeah, it's normal, if you use the meter as an unit in the first place. I think using the proportions in basic geometry shapes is dangerous because by essence they have remarquable proportions anyway in all directions, and I have seen many of them during my geometry classes. I don't find it so remarquable to find phi and pi everywhere. I liked the part when they interviewed the Louvre pyramid's architect, because he said he ended up using more or less the same proportions - which is Phi - because that's what looked the most beautiful to him. The video tried to make it sound as a wonderful discovery, but tbh, it's the property of this number, and yeah, you can find it in any objet including a chair, and I don't see why the video rejects that with such a hate, because that's just true
- The video is annoyingly biased by turning into ridicule the CNRS searcher
- The video is annoyingly sensational by constantly saying "I took time before deciding I would show you this", "I felt like I was entering a dark path" or stuff like that
- I think a lot of "facts" they claim in the video are absolutely debatable. For example, aligning worldwide sites to make gizeh the center of the world... It's not like they have thousands of them to align, and I found funny when they only mentioned all the other world monuments who are inside this line, and not even mentioning any other one outside it.. That's this sort of biased thing that make the documentary very not scientific, that's just not how you proceed. Also, there were supposed to be 2 of those alignments... And then poof, the second one is never mentioned anymore in the theories in the end.
A lot of things like that are twisted to go along the theory. And in the first place... Why the fuck would they do it this way, why would they only create 5 sites like this to indicate an equator, while if they were so good, they didn't do it in other places to make it more geometrically perfect, and therefore, make the doubt impossible ? Why then build hundreds of pyramids in china instead of a big one to mark the place ?
- How convenient to say the meter was an input of a dark illuminati organisation so that we end up using the correct unit as the egyptians or whoever, and so that the correct numbers are found in the pyramid. And how fast the subject is forgotten in the video 2mn later !
- The fact the pyramid had a purpose in the first place is totally omitted in the video too, it's like its galeries have no importance, they only use one room to declare "its proportions all include Phi". Then what about the other ones ? A few good points were raised against that, and were dismissed aggressively by the video, especially the one "it's normal you find the egyptian cubit in the pyramid since they used it to build its main proportions too, and use the same technique inside and outside" or something like that.
- I don't get why if the whole thing was a plan to make you look into the gizeh pyramid... they needed to make the other sites so different from each other. If you wanna do that, create a unit of "site" and build it in every place that you would think interesting "like a litte pyramid". The resemblance would be totally obvious and you would make your point immediately. Why then at one point create 100 pyramids, lower in size (china), then in the pacific, make totems (easter island), in machu picchu simply walls... I don't see that logic here, the idea would be to make something obvious to us to help us prevent our fate. Then why make it puzzling in the first place ? It's nonsense ! Comparing the pyramid to the message sent to space is not fair, because the message is designed in the first place to be decrypted the easiest way possible considering common written language is not an option. If a previous civilization was so advanced, why being dumb enough to make it complicated and not so precise ? Why not making the pyramid even more simple, with proportions very very obvious, better clues, a manual somewhere (in rocks) to help us use it... why make it so complicated, why make such an effort, to talk about precession of the earth equinox... while we ended up knowing about it ourself anyway. So are they telling us they did all of that for nothing ? I don't know, it just doesn't make sense in so many ways and places.

That's why it doesn't make sense to me. I mean it would be absolutely awesome if that would be true, and trust me I would be so enthusiastic to learn more about it if it was proven an old civilization gave us something, but the demonstration was sooo not convincing, and at a few times, so messy and laughable. Fair enough to order the debate into the direction of something you are trying to prove, but if you are honest, you don't dismiss any argument by using only subjectivity like "it is obvious it cannot be random" or things liket hat said many times in the video, that is just too easy.

To me it is more of an entertaining video capitalizing on the subject and maybe credulity of people who are into this stuff. I especially got a smile at the end when it was trying to use the usual technique of backfire, saying "a lot of people are probably gonna laugh at my videos" etc trying to comfort believers into the idea they are the ones who got the keys, making this of a bigger importance than the fact the video is truth or not, in a way.

I would agree though that part I itself was more interesting, for it raised more questions to me, and I'm actually puzzled about those rock buildings now. Part II to me was way more garbage-ish and absolute sensationalism and so many things were tangent, especially the more you went to the end. The end was a joke for nothing was precise, at all, but fair enough for saying it beforehand.
 
In fact, I just realized something terrible about this documentary, reading the comments on youtube. It makes scientists look like clowns, especially egyptologues. The thing is, they don't assume so many things without a reason, and not just because they were taught a specific truth that can't be altered. That's so 2000's to trust a youtube video more than an actual scientist. Again, I'm not saying all scientists are going the good direction, I'm just mentioning this counter effect.
 
^ I have been reading some threads lately and I was wondering: Do you write books (lesedna)? Im just curious.
 
LeSedna said:
I have watched it all, and I will sum it up in this way :

- I think part I was good because it actually raised my curiosity about the different places where you would find these complicated walls
- I think part II was annoying because after a few good points, it went into total sensational and at some points it made me laugh and then be annoyed. The worst part is when the guy is searching all the proportions possible to find Pi or Phi, including several ones where the fact he uses the meter as an unit has no incidence over the result - I mean he finds "pi in meter" but yeah, it's normal, if you use the meter as an unit in the first place. I think using the proportions in basic geometry shapes is dangerous because by essence they have remarquable proportions anyway in all directions, and I have seen many of them during my geometry classes. I don't find it so remarquable to find phi and pi everywhere. I liked the part when they interviewed the Louvre pyramid's architect, because he said he ended up using more or less the same proportions - which is Phi - because that's what looked the most beautiful to him. The video tried to make it sound as a wonderful discovery, but tbh, it's the property of this number, and yeah, you can find it in any objet including a chair, and I don't see why the video rejects that with such a hate, because that's just true
- The video is annoyingly biased by turning into ridicule the CNRS searcher
- The video is annoyingly sensational by constantly saying "I took time before deciding I would show you this", "I felt like I was entering a dark path" or stuff like that
- I think a lot of "facts" they claim in the video are absolutely debatable. For example, aligning worldwide sites to make gizeh the center of the world... It's not like they have thousands of them to align, and I found funny when they only mentioned all the other world monuments who are inside this line, and not even mentioning any other one outside it.. That's this sort of biased thing that make the documentary very not scientific, that's just not how you proceed. Also, there were supposed to be 2 of those alignments... And then poof, the second one is never mentioned anymore in the theories in the end.
A lot of things like that are twisted to go along the theory. And in the first place... Why the fuck would they do it this way, why would they only create 5 sites like this to indicate an equator, while if they were so good, they didn't do it in other places to make it more geometrically perfect, and therefore, make the doubt impossible ? Why then build hundreds of pyramids in china instead of a big one to mark the place ?
- How convenient to say the meter was an input of a dark illuminati organisation so that we end up using the correct unit as the egyptians or whoever, and so that the correct numbers are found in the pyramid. And how fast the subject is forgotten in the video 2mn later !
- The fact the pyramid had a purpose in the first place is totally omitted in the video too, it's like its galeries have no importance, they only use one room to declare "its proportions all include Phi". Then what about the other ones ? A few good points were raised against that, and were dismissed aggressively by the video, especially the one "it's normal you find the egyptian cubit in the pyramid since they used it to build its main proportions too, and use the same technique inside and outside" or something like that.
- I don't get why if the whole thing was a plan to make you look into the gizeh pyramid... they needed to make the other sites so different from each other. If you wanna do that, create a unit of "site" and build it in every place that you would think interesting "like a litte pyramid". The resemblance would be totally obvious and you would make your point immediately. Why then at one point create 100 pyramids, lower in size (china), then in the pacific, make totems (easter island), in machu picchu simply walls... I don't see that logic here, the idea would be to make something obvious to us to help us prevent our fate. Then why make it puzzling in the first place ? It's nonsense ! Comparing the pyramid to the message sent to space is not fair, because the message is designed in the first place to be decrypted the easiest way possible considering common written language is not an option. If a previous civilization was so advanced, why being dumb enough to make it complicated and not so precise ? Why not making the pyramid even more simple, with proportions very very obvious, better clues, a manual somewhere (in rocks) to help us use it... why make it so complicated, why make such an effort, to talk about precession of the earth equinox... while we ended up knowing about it ourself anyway. So are they telling us they did all of that for nothing ? I don't know, it just doesn't make sense in so many ways and places.

That's why it doesn't make sense to me. I mean it would be absolutely awesome if that would be true, and trust me I would be so enthusiastic to learn more about it if it was proven an old civilization gave us something, but the demonstration was sooo not convincing, and at a few times, so messy and laughable. Fair enough to order the debate into the direction of something you are trying to prove, but if you are honest, you don't dismiss any argument by using only subjectivity like "it is obvious it cannot be random" or things liket hat said many times in the video, that is just too easy.

To me it is more of an entertaining video capitalizing on the subject and maybe credulity of people who are into this stuff. I especially got a smile at the end when it was trying to use the usual technique of backfire, saying "a lot of people are probably gonna laugh at my videos" etc trying to comfort believers into the idea they are the ones who got the keys, making this of a bigger importance than the fact the video is truth or not, in a way.

I would agree though that part I itself was more interesting, for it raised more questions to me, and I'm actually puzzled about those rock buildings now. Part II to me was way more garbage-ish and absolute sensationalism and so many things were tangent, especially the more you went to the end. The end was a joke for nothing was precise, at all, but fair enough for saying it beforehand.
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Yeah, thats basically my reaction. So many times I found myself saying "wait, that's not right" or some similar thought. And thats bad, you can't sell me on it, and I'm interested in the subject. I feel like the main points were presented as if talking to a 2nd grader, and using the usual TV video tricks to wow and amaze people into believing. I could give a shit less about the math and proportions too, math never proves anything but math problems. Did anyone realize that the speed of light was missing a few decimal places, and they conveniently moved the comma to make it seem like more of a match than it was? Stuff like that pissed me off the most. As if the claim is supposed to impress me in the first place, and then to stretch so far to get even there.
 
JakeAC5253 said:
Yeah, thats basically my reaction. So many times I found myself saying "wait, that's not right" or some similar thought. And thats bad, you can't sell me on it, and I'm interested in the subject. I feel like the main points were presented as if talking to a 2nd grader, and using the usual TV video tricks to wow and amaze people into believing. I could give a shit less about the math and proportions too, math never proves anything but math problems. Did anyone realize that the speed of light was missing a few decimal places, and they conveniently moved the comma to make it seem like more of a match than it was? Stuff like that pissed me off the most. As if the claim is supposed to impress me in the first place, and then to stretch so far to get even there.
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Oh yes forgot this one, though to be fair it could be said the point for the ancient civilization would be to point out speed of light, not to calculate it

Also, another thing that doesn't make sence... why would it contain the speed of light ? if all it does is show the equinox ? why not containing more universal data, why not tell us about their own story in a way, etc etc

^ I have been reading some threads lately and I was wondering: Do you write books (lesedna)? Im just curious.
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No :)
 
Saw this today and felt an urge to post it. ;)

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