The Most Hated Family in America

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Im sure a lot of you know of this bunch. This is not some anti-god subject.
I have to express the fact that this doc made me genuinely sad.

To me it appears (bias doc) that the young among them are in a terrible cycle of sadness, fear, hate and betrayal among peers and the general world. "They all hate us"

The youngest amongst them don't even know what they are doing.

When asked certain questions, the girl at the end, (softest, focused one) to me displays a lot of regret and sadness, only her well ingrained replies for comfort.













Anyways, Lets not make this another spaghetti monster thread.

 

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IRL trolls.

 

[Joematthews]

HAHAHAHAHAHA I love the westborough baptist church.

I can laugh but is also scary. I watched that ages ago on the BBC and it geniunly made be disturbed because of how brainwashed everyone was.

Joe

 

[spioraid]

Well, I didn't bother watching all the videos but I did watch the first one. If I may, I'd like to offer a unique perspective on this. This will probably be a longer post so if you want jokes or insults, I'm sure someone else would be more than happy to oblige you.

Let me tell you where I'm coming from specifically. An American, Protestant, homeschooled family of 7 kids. I have grown up in a Christian home all my life, have struggled with the issue of religion and spiritually and am still a Christian because of the answers that came forth. My family drives a 15 passenger van to get all of us from point A to point B. I, like this family, think that homosexuality is wrong. I also agree that the USA is on a downhill slope, attempting but failing to try raise itself up again. However, there are colossal differences between us. They see themselves as prophets of God declaring His will to a heathen nation. They seem themselves as free of iniquity and from judgement. They see themselves in a position to hate the sinner and the sin. I would not be surprised if they were also Christian Dominionists (attempting to set up an entirely Christian government by means of out-breeding and political overthrows).

God does not use prophets the way He did as in Old Testament times, in which a person was brought forth to show Israel where they had strayed and to be an example to them. When Jesus came, He fulfilled the law thus negated a need for prophets.
Who am I to condemn a brother? I believe in the total depravity of man, and therefore I am in no position to judge those who are in sin, saved or not. I can warn and caution, disciple and teach to those when it's right, but not judge. My own sin condemns me, how can I condemn another?
Homosexuality is not the issue. Sin is. I view (as God does according His word) that sin is sin. It's all wrong, it all deserves punishment, Jesus Christ is the only acceptable means of avoiding the final judgement. Homosexuality is a on a par with lying, cheating, being disobedient to parents, murder and speaking during a movie. Homosexuals are not in a special class of evil-people whom God just loves to hate. I am no better, and no more able to conjure up salvation for myself than ANY homosexual. To quote Jonathan Edwards, "...it were as though God begged of His people to be saved." To quote this lady leading this family and church, "God hates fags." This is clearly not the same God.
God does not hate America. If America chooses to completely remove God/religion from anything relating to governmental authority, then so be it. It's not God didn't know it was going to happen in the first place!

I am also coming from a military perspective. Both my grandfathers were in the Navy, at least one of my great-grandfathers were in the Army, my father served in the Air Force and my brother was going to join the USMC shortly before he passed away suddenly. To have someone picket his funeral by saying God hates America that 9/11 was a sign of His hatred, I don't think I could control myself. If America hates God, then fine. But don't misinterpret man trying to find his own away apart from God as opposed to God slowly and painfully destroying a nation He providentially brought forth.

For further reference, if I say or do anything on this board that is in relation to Christianity or anything "spiritual", don't think of these people and them claiming to be what I am. They have no respect for God, His work, and those for whom are looking for or running away from.

 

[Altitudes]

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEE

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!11

 

[Altitudes]

Seriously though, this makes me so sad I can't even describe it. Unbelievable.

 

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Btw, that was a good documentary. Thanks fer postin'.

 

[Metaltastic]

Seriously though, this makes me so sad I can't even describe it. Unbelievable.

I know that feeling all too well, which is why reading the responses to these vids is good enough for me.

And Andrew, you make good points man, but why the beef with homosexuality? I'm not gay, but I've also done a lot of thinking on the subject to be sure. I'm attracted to women, but I can see how a guy's upbringing (environment, family or lack of, etc.) would influence him to feel the opposite - love is love regardless of how it develops dude. Honestly, I really don't give a crap about homosexuality one way or another; it's strictly a live and let live thing for me. But they're also people, and I feel we have no right to deprive them of the right to a civil union (though a right to marriage is different, cuz that would involve forcing a private institution, namely a particular religion, to change their views, which seems almost fascist).

 

[Loren Littlejohn]

Dude these guys are like the best thing for Atheists and they don't even know it.... or do they.

 

[spioraid]

And Andrew, you make good points man, but why the beef with homosexuality? I'm not gay, but I've also done a lot of thinking on the subject to be sure. I'm attracted to women, but I can see how a guy's upbringing (environment, family or lack of, etc.) would influence him to feel the opposite - love is love regardless of how it develops dude. Honestly, I really don't give a crap about homosexuality one way or another; it's strictly a live and let live thing for me. But they're also people, and I feel we have no right to deprive them of the right to a civil union (though a right to marriage is different, cuz that would involve forcing a private institution, namely a particular religion, to change their views, which seems almost fascist).

This is a really hard question to answer because I didn't invent marriage. I would contend that God created marriage so He gets to set the rules for what's right and what's not. Biblically I can show the immorality of homosexuality, I can also show you practically the reasons for hetrosexual marriage/relationships. However beyond there I can't contend for much against it, which is where usually a person coming from a non-Christian background would find more authority. I also have to be careful because there is still a distinction between marriage and relationships.

Daring to go off topic here...but being at artist as well as a Christian I've discovered a few things about love, passion and creation. Things, especially love, are beautiful in their inherent nature and their application. But because these things are so potent they have to be protected and used in a good context. That's why it's immoral to have sex with babies/animals/etc. Yes the offender can claim the argument of love, but love must have parameters around it in order for it to maintain it's highest integrity. If this weren't so the artist would have free reign over anything and claim it to be passion or love.

 

[_Brutalism_]

Thanks for posting the documentary.

These people have taken their own interpretation of a book (which is only 1 book when compared to other religions) and have placed this interpretation on a pedestal on their god's right hand side. I cannot believe that they have brainwashed themselves to such a degree. It was painful to watch those children having to be brought up with indoctrinated views which preach the point of view of a few deluded and confused people, without allowing them the choice to think for themselves.

And that Gramps guy. Who else felt like breaking his face while watching? It looked to me like he had no answers to the ones the journalist threw at him which wouldn't make him look like a fool on British television. Also, Simon the X-Documentary maker, I winced when hearing him tell Louie about "how silly" he was being.

I admired the journalist for having to put up with that for so long, but I guess that's his job.

I'd love to drive up to one of their pickets blasting 'Mentally Blind'. We'll see how they'll like it for me to disturb their peace.

 

[Chryst Krispies]

This is a really hard question to answer because I didn't invent marriage. I would contend that God created marriage so He gets to set the rules for what's right and what's not. Biblically I can show the immorality of homosexuality, I can also show you practically the reasons for hetrosexual marriage/relationships. However beyond there I can't contend for much against it, which is where usually a person coming from a non-Christian background would find more authority. I also have to be careful because there is still a distinction between marriage and relationships.

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Marriage shouldn't be a religious area. There's polygamy in the Bible, yet that is illegal; people cherry pick from the Bible things that back up whatever arguments they have, in this case marriage.

Using the Bible to show proof of homosexuality's evil, is like using the Bible to prove that slavery is morally right.

I'm not a homosexual, but I can see no harm in any way shape or form in letting homosexuals get married. Fuck, who really gives a shit anyway, just because you believe in a certain religion, in THE UNITED STATES OF America, where we welcome all backgrounds, you (or your religion rather) get to choose how the entire country's marraige laws are, even if they don't believe? That seems a bit absurd to me.

In addition, Homosexuality is not a learned thing, it's a miswiring in the brain area that triggers sexual attraction. To think that gay people aremaking a choice or are brought up wrong is even more absurd.

This wasn't directed at you Spioraid. I think you're a good fellow, and it's cool seeing someone down with the Lord that isn't psycho. Hell I even dig Theocracy and Stryper, I just think that a lot of the "facts" brought up in regards to the Bible are not facts and need to be treated as such. Furthermore selecting phrases just t back up your point and then throwing out the other sides of the story, and using that as facts is twisted as well.

Please let the madness end.

 

[Glenn Fricker]

. I, like this family, think that homosexuality is wrong. I also agree that the USA is on a downhill slope, attempting but failing to try raise itself up again. However, there are colossal differences between us. .

I do appreciate your opinions, and appreciate the fact that you stated them in a calm & rational manner.


In my opinion, it is the bible that is wrong, as it is not a historical document but a collection of iron age myths that give people an excuse to hate.
Christian Fascists would lead you to believe that homosexuality is a threat to America, while I submit that the real threat to America and the freedoms you enjoy is in the ranks of the Christian Fascists themselves. "Freedom through Christ", a term I heard countless times in my own Christian upbringing is in the end, slavery to an outdated way of life.

The human race needs to grow up, put these ridiculous fairy-tales behind them, and believe in themselves. Religion will only hold us, as a species, behind in our development: It emphasizes doctrine & ritual over science and the pursuit of knowledge. Sorry, but Jesus didn't invent the electric light bulb. In fact, he didn't inspire Edison too, either. He wasn't there because he's a figment of the imagination, much like Santa Claus or The Easter Bunny.

While you have the right to worship what gods you will, be it Jesus or the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Free speech does entitle me to use words such as "ridiculous" "fairy-tale" and "moronic" while describing religion. If that offends you, well good... Truth be told, it offends me to see otherwise rational adults throw their lives and income away on this garbage. Instead of donating money to research Cystic Fibrosis, Cancer, AIDS, Alzheimer's, ALS, MS, or a host of other terrible diseases, religious types give their money to their churches to build gigantic monuments to superstition. What a waste.


That's not directed at you specifically, Spioraid.... just got off on a rant.

 

[Glenn Fricker]

Biblically I can show the immorality of homosexuality, I can also show you practically the reasons for hetrosexual marriage/relationships.

The bible also says snakes can talk. Logic states that since snakes have never, ever, in the entire history of the world, talked or used speech of any kind, that the bible is lying. Since the bible is lying about snakes being able to talk, one could reason that it might not be telling the whole truth about homosexuality.

Being biblical and moral are not exclusive. One can lead a perfectly moral life without any religion at all. In fact, history shows that when the religious go bad, they go very bad. Witness the multitude of victims of predatory priests.


Come to think of it, it's very easy to find immorality in the bible. Stonings, selling daughters into slavery, etc, etc.

 

[Metaltastic]

The only reason I can think of for someone to object to homosexuality besides their own ignorance and insecurity about it is the fact that it doesn't produce offspring - but with a constantly rising world population, do we really need any fucking more?

 

[Chryst Krispies]

The only reason I can think of for someone to object to homosexuality besides their own ignorance and insecurity about it is the fact that it doesn't produce offspring - but with a constantly rising world population, do we really need any fucking more?

Dude. Come on. There's more than enough people fucking to make up for the lost. In addition not every heterosexual couple has children. Either by choise or some misfortune. ARE THEY not allowed to marry either cause they can't/won't have kids?

Besides theres always adoption, and I'd bet my nuggets, that a caring same sex family is 10000 times better than these nut bags, or any other heterosexual unfit parents.


All I'm saying is I don't get why some people are always up in other people's shit. Like, it's one thing to bag on people for diggin A7X but creezus jyst.

Two adults, humans, same species. Who really gives a fuck.
JUST MORE TITTIES FLOATING AROUND FOR THE REST OF US.

 

[Metaltastic]

Dude. Come on. There's more than enough people fucking to make up for the lost. In addition not every heterosexual couple has children. Either by choise or some misfortune. ARE THEY not allowed to marry either cause they can't/won't have kids?

Besides theres always adoption, and I'd bet my nuggets, that a caring same sex family is 10000 times better than these nut bags, or any other heterosexual unfit parents.

Haha, did you even read what I said dude? How else could you interpret "but with a constantly rising world population, do we really need any fucking more?" except as us being in agreement? I thought it was pretty obvious I was playing devil's advocate, speculating as to why anyone could object to homosexuality and then refuting it...

 

[Chryst Krispies]

Haha, did you even read what I said dude? How else could you interpret "but with a constantly rising world population, do we really need any fucking more?" except as us being in agreement? I thought it was pretty obvious I was playing devil's advocate, speculating as to why anyone could object to homosexuality and then refuting it...

I agree with that I was just adding, and I was more befuddled with how you wouldn't see that there will still be kiddies flying out left and right regardless.
AND It's late anD I'm still raging from work.

 

[spioraid]

This wasn't directed at you Spioraid. I think you're a good fellow, and it's cool seeing someone down with the Lord that isn't psycho.

I do appreciate your opinions, and appreciate the fact that you stated them in a calm & rational manner.

It's my pleasure. At the very least I can be civil about such things. There were a few things you both mentioned I feel I can clear up too, but rather than hijacking this thread further or cause more debate I'll leave it at that. Certainly if you want more clarification or more debate, my PM box is open.

I personally just really ticked off when others who profess Christ go about denying Him and rejecting everyone who isn't "in the club". Christianity in most basic form can be summed up in this:

"My memory is nearly gone, but I remember two things — that I am a great sinner, and that Christ is a great Saviour." -John Newton

 

[colonel kurtz]

I believe in the total depravity of man

me too!

when it comes down to it, you don't need to be a christian, or even believe in god, to think that humans are despicable beings that this world would be much better off without