I hate it when i hear this nonsense. a signature statement by the "pro illegals" crowd. First off, that is straight bullshit. I know countless people that would do ANY of the jobs that you think only illegal immigrants would do. And second, the only reason they even get some of those jobs is because there are piece of shit employers out there who know that an undocumented residents would work for half the cost of minimum wage, because they really have no choice. And when that happens the POS employer is also breaking the law. Ive seen this happen more-so than i'd like and its truly disturbing. Rarely do you have anyone paying an illegal properly. Taking advantage of someone and paying them in bread crumbs is pretty despicable if you ask me.
Here you and I are in agreement. However, you have to understand that with your anti-path-to-citizenship position, there's no reasonable way to stop this phenomenon of exploitation. Because undocumented inmigrants are disenfranchised, they are often terrified of reporting to authorities. The capitalist system is all about maximizing profit. Therefore, there will always be businessmen and women are going to take advantage of the the disenfranchised class, so long as they can. Now on the other hand, if there was a reasonable path to a working visa that provided these immigrants with a path to confidently enforce the rights given to all workers in this country, then the phenomenon would decrease dramatically.
If you are here illegally, than you shouldn't have a job in this country, as simple as that.
Simple was a good word choice, because the only way that statement can be taken seriously is via a simplistic divorce from history and reality. Since NAFTA has made it increasingly easy for capital to cross borders, it has created economic crises throughout Mexican and Central American communities. Mass immigration is an inevitable consequence destroying local economies for capitalist gain. We can't claim that it's not our problem since it was our government and elected officials who implemented the trade agreement. Moreover, we have aided coups in Central American countries, most notably Honduras, and contributed to massive violence, which has naturally triggered immigration. It's unreasonable to have foreign policy that creates the conditions of mass migration, and then categorically disenfranchise the those same people when they inevitably arrive in our country.
In short, our international policies and immigration laws have heavily contributed to the mass illegal immigration to our country, which results in the appalling worker's right violations you mentioned above. However, deporting the immigrates is not a plausible solution because it is 1. unethical (since we are partially responsible for their immigration) 2. it is too expensive and 3. will not solve the problem, as another wave of immigrants will come when all the deported people return to their home country, creating increased competition for jobs in their home country. A reasonable solution would be to create a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants living in the USA right now and at the same time create immigration reform that makes more reasonable access to work visas for "unskilled laborers".
I also want to push you on your categorical statement that if you are here illegally, then you shouldn't have a job. What about children who were brought here by their parents, go through our education system, and become qualified for a skilled job? Currently, they cannot legally work in many states, but for all intents and purposes they are as American as anyone else. Moreover, since tax payers have already invested the money into producing this skilled laborer, does it really make sense to you to deport them to another country so that they can contribute to their economy? Even from a purely economic standpoint, setting aside ethics and emotional attachments, that seems like a terrible investment.
I have family on the other side of the world who have been trying hard as fuck to come here legally and start a proper future for themselves and their families for over 10+ years now, but its okay for julio to just hop the fuckin' fence tomorrow and come right on over? fuck no.
Where is your family coming from?
illegals lower wages and take jobs. it's a myth that they "take jobs no one wants to do". many low-skilled but legal american citizens, including legal mexican-americans, would take them.
i don't think Trump will be able to build the entire wall anytime soon or deport every illegal. but if he builds part of the wall at key areas, gives more authority and resources to border patrol, and deports -some or a lot- of illegals that would be great. implement e-verify and penalize businesses that hire illegals, cut off welfare and healthcare to them and they will self-deport.
no matter how thorough the vetting is, if there is no data to check the refugee against, then there is nothing to base the vetting on. furthermore, there is no reason to accept even the ones who are not terrorists.
by barring entry based on where they're from, and deporting suspicious muslims preemptively.
less taxes for everyone. including you and me, and the companies that hire us, so they can give us bonuses. don't you want a bigger paycheck? then we can buy more stuff and the economy will be better
nope, his personality, his rhetoric, and even his past dont matter, only the policies that he will implement in office and the competent republican staff he will appoint to carry them out. and how those policies affect your and my and every legal american of every ethnicity's quality of life.
Oh that's Aug? I never would have responded if I knew that. How many times does he need to get banned before they just block his IP address?
