HamburgerBoy
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100% of you wants to be diddled by a priest.
Coming from an aboriginal rape baby of colonialists.
100% of you wants to be diddled by a priest.
What exactly are you implying here? That this 50% is sympathetic to radical beliefs because they won't report it? There are many, many reasons why someone might be too scared to report others in their community, especially when the general sentiment of the Western world toward Islam is one of suspicion.
An innocent Muslim reports his neighbor, and suddenly the police are at his door: "So, how exactly did you know that your neighbor had been radicalized?" It's a fucking awful situation to be in.
What exactly are you implying here? That this 50% is sympathetic to radical beliefs because they won't report it? There are many, many reasons why someone might be too scared to report others in their community, especially when the general sentiment of the Western world toward Islam is one of suspicion.
An innocent Muslim reports his neighbor, and suddenly the police are at his door: "So, how exactly did you know that your neighbor had been radicalized?" It's a fucking awful situation to be in.
Coming from an aboriginal rape baby of colonialists.
There ar definitely social and economic reasons to be considered here but Jesus you went off the deep end into full on apologist fast.
This comment is weirdly emotional and irrational for you.
I was only asking a question and even offering some explanation for my inquiry. I just find it disappointing that we're possibly demonizing Muslims for simply remaining silent in the face of difficult circumstances, when reporting potential activity can have unforeseen and dangerous consequences for them--if that's indeed what you're doing. I'm not sure it is.
I fail to see how it's emotional, irrational, or apologist.
We either work with Muslims and they do their part, or right-wing anti-immigration sentiment continues to gain popularity, Muslims continue to defend the faith against critics when a terror attack happens, it continues to fester and it all eventually truly goes to hell.
I'm not saying Muslims should or shouldn't do anything (though personally I would report it if it were happening in my community) what I am saying is, terrorism cannot be dealt with by non-Muslims if roughly half of the Muslim community aren't even willing to do anything.
Not really sure what you would suggest if you won't even say that Muslims need to report these people. I'm not at all swayed by your appeal to their victimhood, especially when bodies are being strewn apart by terrorists.
Reporting possible terrorist activity doesn't have to be public, police have anonymity policies for those reporting crimes or threats for a reason.
Terror suspects in many cases are even able to find people who will hide them from authorities, things have to change.
We either work with Muslims and they do their part, or right-wing anti-immigration sentiment continues to gain popularity, Muslims continue to defend the faith against critics when a terror attack happens, it continues to fester and it all eventually truly goes to hell.
There's the rub.
I also think that everyone should report criminal activity if they know about it; but I'm also sympathetic toward a community of people whose very knowledge of potential criminal activity elicits the suspicion of the Western world (generally speaking).
It shouldn't be on Muslims to put themselves in potential danger and under scrutiny in order to change the West's dominant view of their culture. The West needs to give something back, and part of that means not treating every Muslim as a potential terrorist.
I'm not accusing you of this. I'm just saying that it shouldn't fall entirely on Muslims to alleviate the burden of suspicion. And in the case of America, at least, American Muslims are overwhelmingly viewed as needing to step up, while non-Muslim Americans are absolved of responsibility.
Ever heard of the phrase "dindu nuffin"? How about "affluenza"? People of all kinds (except maybe the Japanese honorary Aryan master race) try to protect their own. There's nothing special about Muslims in that regard.
It doesn't fall entirely on Muslims, but what do you suggest we should do in lieu of roughly half of the Muslim population's refusal to report radicalism and terrorist activity? Monitor mosques? Monitor the Internet activities of households where Muslims live?
Edit: To address the portion of your comment I bolded, it is not a matter of Muslims putting themselves in potential danger and under scrutiny in order to change the west's views on Islam, that's entirely missing the basic point that it should be on them, as British citizens, to do their part so that less people are killed.
hink a start would be trying to make Muslims feel safer when telling on their neighbors. This doesn't have to do with giving them safe spaces, but with guaranteeing that they won't be targeted (by the state or otherwise) for admitting knowledge of potential terrorist threats.
You say this as though these two things are extricable from one another.
But you and people such as yourself, no offence, are just as bad as the xenophobes and Muslim-rejectionists when it comes to talking about Muslims as if they're separate from the rest of the populace. They are British citizens who should, just as everybody else does, bear the burden of doing what's right.
Considering that apparently last year or the year prior, more British Muslims went to join ISIS than they did join the British military, we need all citizens working together on this.
...there are also 28,430 members of the armed forces who declared no religion when they signed up to fight.
So to claim that there are 'twice as many' British Muslims fighting for Isis as there are in the British armed forces is pure guesswork.
many Muslims in the West feel targeted by their country.