You are still saying that race is a better predictor of violent crime when that showed that it is not. When looking at race and crime, socioeconomic status explains a lot of it. The statistics show that whites that commit violent crimes SIMILAR to blacks are often SIMILAR in socioeconomic status. The statistics do not show that poverty (ITSELF: meaning whites and blacks show similar statistics regarding poverty in general) affects both racial groups similarly, nor did I say that. Obviously, there's probably less poor whites in America than blacks.
Well, they're different statistics. You're looking at all crime with those BJS numbers; most violence is in the form simple assault, not murder. Most of that simple assault is going to be Billy Ray beating his wife for forgetting to pick up a case of Bud Light. Not saying that isn't a problem, but it's a different problem. Further, consistency in police reporting/investigation becomes more of an issue as you move down the socioeconomic ladder. If someone is murdered, most of the time the police will eventually find out unless the body is properly disposed of. People assault each other all the time without outsiders knowing. I brought up murder statistics since we were talking about spree shootings and murder. Murder statistics probably the most reliable crime statistics you'll find, since even non-criminological agencies like the CDC will report the same thing regarding race and homicide. Further, you're looking exclusively at victimization. Blacks victimize whites at a higher rate than the other way around, particularly with respect to property-related violence like robbery, which is probably where you'll find the greatest socioeconomic factors as well. The third figure I posted in my first reply, which breaks things down into specific income groups, by race, for homicide victimization shows a massive difference between white and black homicide rates.
My problem was that only the Texas shooter identified as atheist. There's nothing that states that the Nevada shooter was. I mean about a quarter of Americans identify as irreligious, in general, though it's not exactly the same thing; not believing in a Christian god is definitely something that isn't uncommon here at all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_the_United_States
My bad, my numbers were way off on that by conflating self-identified atheists with all those that consider themselves non-religious. In part I brought it up because the Nevada shooter was said to be non-religious by his brother, both the Columbine killers and Harper-Mercer were non-religious and asked their victims if they were Christians before shooting them, and I thought Cho was anti-Christian and non-religious, although checking again apparently he was sort of conflicted.
You said whites commit crimes to their proportional population in America. I said I was still pretty confused because according to your statistics it still seemed much higher than European whites. It seems crazy comparing the two, right? Crime rates are different because a number of things are different: culture, way of life, socioeconomic status etc. There's more factors than just one's race that can determine the likelihood of committing a violent crime. It's absurd to compare races likelihood of committing violent crimes and not look at other factors too that are causing it.
I still don't understand what you're trying to say in your first sentence, but my numbers still show that American whites and European whites commit homicide at rates closer to each other than American whites and American blacks. I'm not denying cultural aspects, and in fact the last time we argued about this I more or less said the same thing:
And my point isn't to say that blacks are automatically a danger to society, just that comparing the USA and Germany, looking at disparate homicide rates, and going "Hey, it must be cuz of all those guns!" is silly and ignores a lot of other differences between the two countries. I'm all for ending the war on drugs to remove the incentive for gangs to kill each other, all for requiring all cops to wear body cameras at all times to prevent corruption/false arrests by race, and all for overhauling ghetto schools and removing the violent offenders early.
The fact that Caribbeans and African immigrants don't have nearly the same issues, along with studies which look at black children adopted into white families, shows that culture/upbringing are probably the biggest factor. But it's a factor that disproportionately affects blacks, and therefore results in blacks committing disproportionate violent crime, particularly murder.
Not everyone who's mentally ill is dangerous to society. How many people take medicine for depression? or anxiety?
Yeah, but mentally ill violent people should be killed quickly.
I remembered Minnesota particularly because I have made a connection with it. I simply read between the lines and made an inference. More whites = utopia. That was just one state in particular you mentioned in the past because of its high Northern European ancestry, and sort of praising it due to the way they look and I suppose the way of life. I wasn't saying you were being particularly "racist". You of all people should know how difficult it is to classify you, so I don't even try. I just think you have many biases.
I literally just showed you that I have never ever said that Minnesota was any type of utopia. In fact, I've apparently never used the word "utopia" on this forum before prior to this argument. I searched through 9 pages of my posts containing 'white' and most of them were in line with my posts containing 'Aryan'. This is probably the most white supremacist post I've made, in reply to a joke Baroque made about the benefits of being white:
The free world has always been the white man's domain. All is as it should be.
Greeks and Romans were white. So were the Persians and ancient Egyptians. And I say this as a Germanic Celtic Nordic Euromutt.
And I'm clearly still denying the idea that white Western Europeans are the masterrace or anything of that sort. My autism and lack of social pressures make me probably the most objectively unbiased person on this forum. But I'm not going to deny that Caucasoids contributed the most to human society over its entire history in the name of political correctness.
Mind you a very close friend of mine is from Minnesota and his family is definitely like northern European or something (classic nordic look), but apparently his dad is also a registered sex offender. /shrug Everyone sucks.
