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CiG
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I contend it’s petroleum.
He and Trump are kinda like Lawrence Limburger and Greasepit from Biker Mice From Mars.
Krow
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CiG
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Einherjar86
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I'd say this is getting ridiculous, but it's been ridiculous for weeks now. Can't believe this bullshit.
17 Republican Attorneys General Back Trump in Far-Fetched Election Lawsuit
17 Republican Attorneys General Back Trump in Far-Fetched Election Lawsuit
rms
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I honestly can't even follow the logic. My trumpian Facebook friends have migrated to that parler app 
so I'm totally out of touch
so I'm totally out of touch
Einherjar86
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So am I, honestly. It would be fascinating if it wasn't also very troubling. Media ecologies have been dissociating for years now, but I feel like Parler and "news" sites like Newsmax and OANN have spiraled off into a genuine fantasy land. I'm not saying bias doesn't exist in places like Reuters, NYT, WSJ, WaPo, etc.; but they recognize the legitimacy and transparency of a generally agreed-upon body of facts, and report accordingly. These newly risen platforms and venues are virtually designed to promote falsehoods and inaccuracies that have been easily dispelled within the larger ecosystem of major media reporting. As far as I can tell, their entire worldview is shaped by QAnon lingo and millenarian-ish promises of "Great Awakenings" and "krakens." It's wild.
rms
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The immediate dump of fox news after the election loss is pretty wild. Trump people are wild, can't understand it haha
CiG
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Well they're not particularly wedded to the Republican Party and their media toadies. These people are like the right's version of the #BernieOrBust-ers.
Einherjar86
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zabu of nΩd
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Except it seems to be the majority of Republicans we're talking about, not a fringe group:
Until this election, I was willing to believe both parties had a similar share of anti-democracy extremists. Now it seems pretty clear the Republican Party has devolved into something uniquely fascist.
CiG
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Sure I didn't mean that both groups are of a similar size, just that loyalty to Trumpism seems to have become stronger than loyalty to the party.
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Fascism when Republicans cry fraud, legit when Democrats cried in 2000 about it.
I doubt there was enough real fraud (defined as the casting of illegitimate ballots) to change the results in the key states, and by every account the Reps' post-election efforts have been slapdash at best, but after 4 years of Russiagate, Republicans would be absolutely retarded to not go full Alex Jones over this. They should file as many bad lawsuits and cast as many restraining orders at the district court level against Biden/Harris as possible right up to the very next election day. For good measure they should create sanctuary cities for federal weapons violations, and the next time a lefty kills someone with the remotest political/racial intent, they should demand Biden/Harris to disavow black supremacy and left-wing terrorism.
I doubt there was enough real fraud (defined as the casting of illegitimate ballots) to change the results in the key states, and by every account the Reps' post-election efforts have been slapdash at best, but after 4 years of Russiagate, Republicans would be absolutely retarded to not go full Alex Jones over this. They should file as many bad lawsuits and cast as many restraining orders at the district court level against Biden/Harris as possible right up to the very next election day. For good measure they should create sanctuary cities for federal weapons violations, and the next time a lefty kills someone with the remotest political/racial intent, they should demand Biden/Harris to disavow black supremacy and left-wing terrorism.
CiG
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zabu of nΩd
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What specifically did Democrats do in 2000 that strikes you as equivalent to:
- the President refusing to formally concede the election, routinely alleging widespread voting fraud in the absence of evidence, and systematically pressuring state leaders to ignore their vote tallies
- the GSA delaying the transition process of the President-Elect
- a DOJ investigation of state election boards
- red states suing blue states over their election procedures
- a member of the President's legal team in federal court asking the judge to bar a state from certifying its vote tally and instead have the state's legislature choose the electors in violation of the Constitution
CiG
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Trump was feamongering about mail-in votes as far back as April too. They primed themselves to not accept the outcome of this election way before any kind of fraud could have even happened.
rms
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Hbb is a lost cause and was like 6 years old in 2000. No point in going there haha
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Gore didn't formally concede until Dec 13 himself, and more importantly, at no point in modern history has there ever been collusion in the media to shut down mere conspiracy theories. Trump has already stated that he will accept the loss when the electoral college votes in Biden's favor, he's just making hot air as he always does.
Trump's entire presidency was arguably delayed (assuming he didn't use it as an excuse to do little) by countless false allegations spread by our state-controlled media that he had committed treason. I don't know the full history of President-elect transitions but can tell you there's at least precedent going back to John Adams of fucking over the incoming President (the midnight court packing and all of that). Not sure how making life uncomfortable for your political opponent is fascist.
What's wrong with the DOJ investigating things? Based on recent history of Trump's investigations going nowhere, they will probably come back with a report saying that no system wrong-doing was ever found. Unless you're one of those silly partisans that thinks Trump tweeting angrily about the Mueller investigation constitutes obstruction of justice and that Mike Flynn lying to the FBI constitutes the crime of the decade, the Trump's DOJ hasn't shown a whole lot of muscle. In fact, compared to what Obama got away with between Operation Chokepoint, record-setting anti-whistleblower actions, and guys like John Brennan committing perjury about the state of NSA surveillance, Trump is downright libertarian (and with the exception of Jimmy Carter I'd argue the last deep state-weary president we've had since Coolidge). And to the broader point of election fraud itself, there is no question that we have an incredibly inefficient system when countries like Brazil can carry out elections faster and more verifiably than us. Our system was pretty much founded on back-dealing and anti-democratic principles of giving power and land to small respective minorities of each state, and issues like election observers not being able to observe, ballot harvesting, and judges being able to arbitrarily change the law under "emergency circumstances" all contribute to . If Trump is able to force Congress to standardize our federal elections by sheer willpower of trolling then all the better.
A great move. Red states should continue to sue and grind the system to a halt just as blue states repeatedly did to try and prevent the Executive from fulfilling its role in matters of immigration, taxation, and trade.
See above.
Einherjar86
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That's because Florida's narrow margins triggered an automatic recount and the deadline for the recount was December 12. The recount stopped when SCOTUS decided it wouldn't be finished by the twelfth. Gore conceded the day after the deadline. So I don't understand the comparison.
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It's not "just making hot air" when a President is such a fervent liar that he convinces half the country he won an election that he actually lost. It's a personality cult, the kind of shit that puts dictators in power in countries with weaker rule of law. Though the GOP hasn't outright disregarded the law, the absurd number of avenues they pursued to overturn this election suggests that they would have gladly stolen it from Biden if they had the power to.
You're making a false equivalency. The media does not possess the authority of a government institution. Trump used his authority as President to delay his successor. And John Adams doesn't "set a precedent" -- that was over 200 years ago, and no outgoing President has pulled anything this crazy in modern times.
Right, and while we're at it let's go around shooting holes in bridges to see if they collapse. That'll motivate the DOTs to enforce bridge inspection standards.
Actually neither party should be doing any of this shit, and the fact that you're cheering on this kind of batshit conflict escalation goes to show how useless it is discussing any of this with you, because ultimately you just don't give a fuck and would be fine with watching the country burn.
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