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it's actually insane that he's potentially throwing this election away lol he literally had it won. the odds have gone from like 1/20 on to almost even now.
 
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This is feeling like an inverse of 2016 when Trump was bulldozing through everybody and Clinton kept making herself look bad.

Trump is self-immolating nonstop for a whole week.
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It's like he's desperately trying to take advantage of the fact that Harris is a woman/minority, because he just has nothing else to attack. Historically and statistically, that's always been a disadvantage because a lot of voters are sadly racist/sexist (implicitly or explicitly), but we're kind of at a point now with this election where Harris being a member of a minority group is the least of the general public's concerns.

He's trying to speak to biases that are no longer relevant, and basically pull bigotry out of thin air. Yea, it still exists, but most of the people on the fence are more likely to be swayed by political competence and intelligent rhetoric that addresses issues that are actually relevant in our day to day lives than they are to be swayed by "haha, she's dark-skinned, obviously a DEI hire who doesn't know what she's doing".

Alleging that someone was installed on the basis of DEI rather than ability only works if you're actually more competent than them, or can at least make people think you are. It just doesn't work, not after COVID, not after Jan 6. His loyal supporters are as fervent as ever, if not more, but all of those swing voters, the people who voted him because it was "time for a different approach" are either not voting or voting for Harris at this point.
 
If Cyber Dumpsters were really as clever as Musk claims they'd all blow up in sympathy with that one.
 
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It's like he's desperately trying to take advantage of the fact that Harris is a woman/minority, because he just has nothing else to attack. Historically and statistically, that's always been a disadvantage because a lot of voters are sadly racist/sexist (implicitly or explicitly), but we're kind of at a point now with this election where Harris being a member of a minority group is the least of the general public's concerns.

He's trying to speak to biases that are no longer relevant, and basically pull bigotry out of thin air. Yea, it still exists, but most of the people on the fence are more likely to be swayed by political competence and intelligent rhetoric that addresses issues that are actually relevant in our day to day lives than they are to be swayed by "haha, she's dark-skinned, obviously a DEI hire who doesn't know what she's doing".

Alleging that someone was installed on the basis of DEI rather than ability only works if you're actually more competent than them, or can at least make people think you are. It just doesn't work, not after COVID, not after Jan 6. His loyal supporters are as fervent as ever, if not more, but all of those swing voters, the people who voted him because it was "time for a different approach" are either not voting or voting for Harris at this point.
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Donald won the 2024 election the exact same way he won the 2016 election
he got the specific people that were never gonna vote for the dem nominee to get up and vote against the person that they were never gonna vote for
and in both cases he was able to do it because his opponent was female
Trump got the specific people who were never gonna feel comfortable having a female president to get up off their asses and vote against the female candidate
 
Nah he won because of inflation and the economy. It was a global election trend. Most incumbents lost all over the world because voters wanted to punish whoever was in power during the worst of inflation.
 
CiG said:
Nah he won because of inflation and the economy. It was a global election trend. Most incumbents lost all over the world because voters wanted to punish whoever was in power during the worst of inflation.
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"global election trend" doesn't necessarily affect dumb-ass Americans
Americans are the idiots that elected Donald-Fucking-Trump as president in 2016
 
the only kinda cool thing to come out of the 2024 election is the fact that the person who becomes president in 2028 is kinda almost guaranteed to be way-the-fuck-younger than Donald who is only 4 years younger Biden
 
Some of the stuff you may have to look forward to
But Trump doesn't have to do something dramatic like cancel the election in order to erode democracy. The relationship between democracy and autocracy is a spectrum, not a binary; for example, countries like Venezuela, Nicaragua, Turkey and Hungary still hold elections, but their leaders aren't held meaningfully accountable by them (or by other mechanisms like the courts). A more realistic concern is that the U.S. will slide into what political scientists call "competitive authoritarianism," in which democratic institutions still exist but they are regularly abused. Maybe the chief executive can't just abolish the other branches of government, the free press and other tools of accountability for fear of being seen as illegitimate, but he can find ways to weaken or circumvent them. And while the incumbent party still must face elections — and can even lose them — it makes every effort to tilt the electoral playing field in its favor.

In that vein, Susan Stokes, a University of Chicago political scientist who is writing a book on democratic erosion, is looking out for attacks on institutions that could potentially criticize Trump or rein him in. She pointed out that Trump has already sued media outlets like the Des Moines Register, which could scare the press into treating Trump with kid gloves. Aspiring autocrats in other countries have also made life difficult for universities. In India, the government has revoked the licenses of thousands of nongovernmental organizations. In Poland, the previous administration stacked the judiciary with loyalists, turning it effectively into a rubber stamp for the ruling party.

Trump could also retaliate against other politicians or government employees who don't agree with him. He has said he wants to purge the federal bureaucracy of civil servants who he believes oppose his agenda. Many observers also fear that Trump's Justice Department will prosecute his political opponents — not just Democrats, but also Republicans who are perceived as disloyal.

And at Trump's direction, Republican legislators could push laws that make it harder to vote in response to Trump's unfounded concerns about voter fraud.
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