The term "true metal" sucks

[Russell]

Originally posted by Lordenlil
Nah - Darkthrone is not my fave band, Death is
I was expecting whop-ass from you after my latest posting, but you handeled that well, godisanathiest

Ah, now, I don't have any Death at all.. Ah well Its because I can barely hide my indifference towards Darkthrone.. I don't like them hugely but don't hate them either... Except I thoguht Fenriz's jew comment was out of line So me not "getting" them doesn't annoy me too much

 

[Lordenlil]

Originally posted by godisanathiest
Except I thoguht Fenriz's jew comment was out of line So me not "getting" them doesn't annoy me too much

You will feel the loss when you "get" old. You will not live a single day where that won't bother you.
Anyhow, I think we're "getting" off topic here. And I'm gonna go "get" me some food now.
Stay TRUE!

 

[Russell]

I will stay trOO! And Silencing The Singing is great Loving that EP

 

[JJPLANO]

believe it or not, some nü metal bands are not so manufactured as they seems. is the thing wich is popular today. so everybody (specially record labels) wants to grab a piece of that.

do you hear about the New Wave Of British Heavy Metal? believe it or not, its the same thing. Heavy became so popular in early '80, that there were bands everywhere. the record labels sign up bands that were formed a month ago and have a bunch of songs that sounds like judas or maiden. only a few survive. the good ones.

the bands who play hard rock can't stand they. they were not "true" hard rock bands.

with the next wave the same ocurred. what do you think that people who liked judas or maiden or motorhead think when thrash, death or black appears? they hated it!!

do you read lately '80 Bruce Dicknson declarations saying that "thrash is going to be dead soon. their music sounds like a rithm machine. In a matter of months, we will all have forgotten Metallica."

I believe he was wrong, isn't he? ;-)

 

[SlaughterofSoul]

Originally posted by JJPLANO

do you read lately '80 Bruce Dicknson declarations saying that "thrash is going to be dead soon. their music sounds like a rithm machine. In a matter of months, we will all have forgotten Metallica."

I believe he was wrong, isn't he? ;-)

But is Metallica thrash anymore? I like thrash, and it isn't dead. It's just merely underground again.

 

[JJPLANO]

amen.

Metallica isn't thrash anymore, but thrash is not dead.

the black and death took much of their sound of thrash structure, so through black and death, thrash is also present.

do you see my point? of each "era", only the good survive. we are rushing our thoghts with some bands that can have potencial, we don't see that now.

it happen with heavy, it happen with thrash. it is happen with death, melodic death and power bands. now it has to happen with black, doom and nü. only the talented remain!!!!

 

[JJPLANO]

of course is not dead.

the styles don't die, they had lack of popularity because of the saturation. and it happens with heavy, thrash and power. and it is going to happen with death, black, doom, nü and power again.

only the talented survive!!!

 

[The Wanderer]

Originally posted by Lordenlil


Not that I ever mentioned keys, but of course I got all the
Burzum, Arcturus and the Emperor stuff as well. You name it.
And it shouldn't limit our view either, but I think you are missing
some of my point here. Darkthrone was an EXAMPLE.
Some bands I would rather label as 'true' Feels natural to me.

It's called "Hvis Lyset Tar Oss". And as x-tra info:
It means "If the light takes (grabs) us" (directly translated).

the key thing was directed at another post, not yours. and i know the darkthrone thing was an example. I think we're pretty much on the same page, i'm just having a hard time being articulate.

 

[MetalMaiden1777]

True metal" is commonly used because in a time where there are as many genres and sub genres as there are bands practically -things become confusing- the question becomes- Is this genre fundamentally close to the root of metal- basically, I think this term has great importance especially if you give a shyt about metal and the rising mainstream affect on metal. the root of metal is slowly being washed away.There is a difference between Nu metal and true Metal. I wont get into all the different genres of metal and whether they are true or not but there are differences that make a band true or not true-its that simple and it shouldnt piss anyone off that the term is used. If you like false metal then so be it.. but recognize that what is untrue is false -false meaning that it is not true to the musics roots and foundation. Black metal and Death metal can be true - and anything that would take elements of black and death metal but incorporates other factors to create something else is not true to black and death. It is something different with an influence of Black and death... so every genre has a trueness- for instance, Disturbed is not thrash yet it has thrashy elements.. it isnt true -its false -its posing - it isnt what it claims to be.. does that make sense- Everyone get sooo hostile becasue someone says what they are listening to isnt true -blah blah- I choose to listen to basically true metal- true being that the bands i listen to stick to the roots of metal- there isnt a whole lot of other BS... its not mechanical or synthetic-its just metal- lots of solos and great feeling.. Noone needs to get upset if they like a false band..just admit that you like false-posuer metal and get on with life.

 

[JayKeeley]

Who started the term NuMetal anyway? Obviously someone who had no clue....

I think music is allowed to evolve if there is a connection to the "roots and foundation" as said by MetalMaiden1777. Otherwise it should be considered a different category of music altogether - just like Rock, Jazz, Blues etc. I don't know who started calling all this stuff "NuMetal", but the biggest mistake made was attaching the terms Nu and Metal. There is no metal in this category as such.

I don't think Korn consider themselves to be metal - it is a category that they were assigned to. I don't think they would be bothered by being called Mallcore instead - they know exactly who their target audience is, and they make millions upon millions. You can call them swingbeat for all they care, as long as they still get their checks in the mail.

I prefer the term "Mallcore" myself, and it causes less confusion.

By the way, I remember when everyone slammed Iron Maiden for using keys and synths on Somewhere in Time and Seventh Son. However, they were always metal - they had just evolved. Mallcore on the other hand was never metal to begin with.

 

[MetalMaiden1777]

jakeelee ya know I totally respect ya.. but i have to call you one thing.. haha
I hate it when someone says a band has progressed just because they add on elements - I dont think that 7th son is any better than piece of mind... its all fucking excellent-perfection- but pre 7th had a different feeling-(i hate using that all the time but no other way to describe what i am saying)otherwise I agree with you all the way.. none of that Nu shyt is metal and you know what pisses me off the most??!!? Slipknot or whatever got all into the death of Chuck(rip) they started saying that they were his friends and that they supported him etc.. bullshyt they only wanted in on the scene to make themselves look worthy.. they didnt care about chuck or real metal and its sickening the way that bands like umm ( i am bad with nu names) pantera... claim to be the kings of metal.. they are soo fucking corporate its not even funny.. they say that manowar are pussies and that they are the real metal.. they dont even solo anymore.. grrrr
maybe cowboys from hell was decent(cemetary gates to be specific) and some of their heavy glam stuff like power metal etc.. was good but cmon- they suck now... and they surely arent the reinventors of the steel.. give me a break!!!totally

 

[JJPLANO]

Pantera isn't metal? well, here you learn new facts every day!!!

btw, i was being sarcastic...

 

[JayKeeley]

Originally posted by MetalMaiden1777
jakeelee ya know I totally respect ya.. but i have to call you one thing.. haha
I hate it when someone says a band has progressed just because they add on elements - I dont think that 7th son is any better than piece of mind... its all fucking excellent-perfection- but pre 7th had a different feeling.....

heh, no worries. Listen, I guess what I was trying to say was that the press and media slammed Iron Maiden for swaying away from their roots for SiT and 7th Son. Not me though...

In the early 80's, just after NWOBHM settled in and created a foundation for "true" heavy metal, it was almost blasphemous to use keyboards in the music. You know, metallers used to HATE it when Rush was considered to be Heavy Metal. So when Maiden used synths in Somewhere in Time, lots of people slammed them for 'selling out' a little.

Personally I loved it, I liked the progression, and to this day my top Maiden album is Somewhere in Time....nah, actually it has to be Powerslave, but SiT is a close second! It's a very 'intelligent' album if you know what I mean. Something I think Maiden always maintained was that exact intelligent progressive (yet heavy) presence, unlike, say, Judas Priest - who in my opinion became a little predictable. But anyway, you get what I mean......I hope!

P.S. The comments on Maiden do not stand for the No Prayer albums onwards - they became very different at that point, and I think just got bored. The best thing Bruce did (for himself) was leave and in return give us Chemical Wedding!

Oh well, I totally went off the point, so in summary: 80's Maiden rules...and NuMetal doesn't.