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Rottuated
Live Free Or Die
Lies and Perfidy
Gentleman of the Road
Who cares! They were never musically significant. Just great metal done the way it's supposed to be. Notsr was great, but I like Swtwc better even though it's less musically significant. If I want more challenging stuff to listen to there are countless Prog bands doing crazy shit. I also have Opeth to be an all around band. Why must Iced Earth be something they are not.
All bands need to change a little over time. You keep doing the same thing and you turn into Judas Priest. I like em but goddamn their shit is stale.Maybe Halford can give em a biut of fresh air. Kinda like Sascha Gerstner from Heloween. I like the songs he helped write. He added a new element to the band and god knows Dark Ride for the most part isnt a well written album.
anonymousnick2001
World's Greatest Vocalist
I just find IE to be horribly overrated. Barlow's good but never THAT GREAT.
Schaffer is a competent guitarist and composer, but I think he emulates his idols too much and tries way too hard.
And none of the other musicians are around long enough to be judged. And Ripper doesn't really fit their style.
Schaffer is a competent guitarist and composer, but I think he emulates his idols too much and tries way too hard.
And none of the other musicians are around long enough to be judged. And Ripper doesn't really fit their style.
Rottuated
Live Free Or Die
Schaffer definitly has the ability to compose, but I think he's not fully using it. But whatever. As long as it sounds good to me, I'll listen to it. And I miss Matt.
anonymousnick2001
World's Greatest Vocalist
I think they're overrated, but definitely underhyped. If that's possible.
People that liste to Iced earth are kind of like Tool fans. Say the word "Tttoooooooooooooooolllllll....." in front of a Tool fan and they'll shit their pants right there. Same thing for IE. They're not as good as the fans build them up to be.
Sometimes I wish that the record company HAD released Melancholy as a single back in '98 and blown the band up onto radio and MTV and everything, so they could become as overpromoted and popular as their fans' egoes provide for, and then collapse like a bloated balloon.
Of course, you can still disagree...
People that liste to Iced earth are kind of like Tool fans. Say the word "Tttoooooooooooooooolllllll....." in front of a Tool fan and they'll shit their pants right there. Same thing for IE. They're not as good as the fans build them up to be.
Sometimes I wish that the record company HAD released Melancholy as a single back in '98 and blown the band up onto radio and MTV and everything, so they could become as overpromoted and popular as their fans' egoes provide for, and then collapse like a bloated balloon.
Of course, you can still disagree...
And I do.
I dont think thats the case at all really. If you can actually spot an Iced Earth fan at all. My friend wore his IE shirt into Guitar Center and a guy looks at him and goes "Iced Earth?" in a sarcastic making fun of, kinda way. Most people dont even like Iced Earth. I thinki their a good band all in all with some good tunes and good guitar playing. Not very original at all, but I like it. I'd like to see Yngwie Schaffer ease up a little bit too. He's even run his own brother off from the band now.
I dont think thats the case at all really. If you can actually spot an Iced Earth fan at all. My friend wore his IE shirt into Guitar Center and a guy looks at him and goes "Iced Earth?" in a sarcastic making fun of, kinda way. Most people dont even like Iced Earth. I thinki their a good band all in all with some good tunes and good guitar playing. Not very original at all, but I like it. I'd like to see Yngwie Schaffer ease up a little bit too. He's even run his own brother off from the band now.
Lies and Perfidy
Gentleman of the Road
I probably should have said "original" instead of "musically significant"...the first three albums were some pretty fresh thrash metal with a bit of power thrown in. They mixed Forbidden and early Helloween with classic Maiden-Priest stuff, and it rocked.
Then Jon forgot how to write riffs. Saga was largely boring and derivative; Something Wicked was horribly inconsistent and had too many formulaic ballads; Horror Show was just completely uninspired and rife with bad, bad musical ideas.
The three Burden songs sound remotely promising (in terms of a fresh sound), but I want more proof.
Incidentally, Dark Ride is my favorite Helloween album - but then, happy Hammerfall power metal annoys the hell out of me.
Then Jon forgot how to write riffs. Saga was largely boring and derivative; Something Wicked was horribly inconsistent and had too many formulaic ballads; Horror Show was just completely uninspired and rife with bad, bad musical ideas.
The three Burden songs sound remotely promising (in terms of a fresh sound), but I want more proof.
Incidentally, Dark Ride is my favorite Helloween album - but then, happy Hammerfall power metal annoys the hell out of me.
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Wraith
Well lets see. I disagree with just about anything negative said in this thread.
I think Horror Show had great musical ideas, etc, etc....
I think Horror Show had great musical ideas, etc, etc....
Rottuated
Live Free Or Die
Iced In Flames said:
Who was his brother? Randal Sawyver? Or who? I've never read about that.
And regarding Horror Show, Dark Saga, and Something Wicked, I think they were all great albums. Dark Saga had it's boring moments, but I haven't found a single album that I've really listened to and said to myself "This is complete dog shit."
Just about everything they've released has something for everyone. It depends on what your tastes are. But I think people need to stop comparing albums, and listen to them for what they are, and not how they are similar or different from some other album.
anonymousnick2001
World's Greatest Vocalist
Well put...and I like lots of stuff by Iced Earth.
But, I don't know, they're hailed as the saviors of American metal or something. Uh...no.
Not a bad band, by any means, though...Horror Show was an excellent concept in theory...
But, I don't know, they're hailed as the saviors of American metal or something. Uh...no.
Not a bad band, by any means, though...Horror Show was an excellent concept in theory...
Lies and Perfidy
Gentleman of the Road
anonymous, your previous post sounds like the black album fiasco. That lie is still being perpetuated. Along with the band, and throw in communism as well.
The fact remains that Iced Earth have been under promoted till this point. They are still on an indie label, will only sell 50,000 records in the U.S. When bands such as linkin park, limp drainage, korn etc.. etc.. will sell millions. So if I get all in a tissy when I see an Iced Earth shirt on the dude working at dairy queen, let me have my 15 minutes of fame and shit.
anonymousnick2001
World's Greatest Vocalist
Hypnos666
Hell Crusader
I'm going to go ahead and put in my 2 cents...
Iced Earth is likely one of my favorite bands. Horror Show was the 1st album I got, and I even thought that album was fairly good (though at this point I look at it as their worst - the only good song on it being Dracula). Iced Earth never has been big. I don't care, they're a great band. I could care less if anyone listens to them or not. Me and my friend at this school are the only people I know of here that listen to Iced Earth, or even know who they are.
Jon is a good composer, and while he takes ideas from guitarists before him, WHO DOESN'T?! I mean, the beginnings of metal with Black Sabbath came from Blues music...then Judas Priest came from Sabbath, Iron Maiden and the thrash metal scene came from Priest, and then stuff like Iced Earth came from a mix of thrash and power metal. Deal with it, ideas are copied.
However, I feel that Jon is rather unique compared to all these "Metal" bands like Godsmack, Korn, Limp Bizkit, or Linkin Park. Fuck that, true metal could NEVER degenerate into shit like that. Iced Earth is keeping up the Metal tradition.
You are right about one thing though. I doubt the Ripper really fits in with Iced Earth's style, and unfortunately, this may cause their downfall.
Say what you will, Iced Earth is a great band and will always be one of my favorites.
Iced Earth is likely one of my favorite bands. Horror Show was the 1st album I got, and I even thought that album was fairly good (though at this point I look at it as their worst - the only good song on it being Dracula). Iced Earth never has been big. I don't care, they're a great band. I could care less if anyone listens to them or not. Me and my friend at this school are the only people I know of here that listen to Iced Earth, or even know who they are.
Jon is a good composer, and while he takes ideas from guitarists before him, WHO DOESN'T?! I mean, the beginnings of metal with Black Sabbath came from Blues music...then Judas Priest came from Sabbath, Iron Maiden and the thrash metal scene came from Priest, and then stuff like Iced Earth came from a mix of thrash and power metal. Deal with it, ideas are copied.
However, I feel that Jon is rather unique compared to all these "Metal" bands like Godsmack, Korn, Limp Bizkit, or Linkin Park. Fuck that, true metal could NEVER degenerate into shit like that. Iced Earth is keeping up the Metal tradition.
You are right about one thing though. I doubt the Ripper really fits in with Iced Earth's style, and unfortunately, this may cause their downfall.
Say what you will, Iced Earth is a great band and will always be one of my favorites.
-Rivfader-
Klingons on Uranus
Iced Earth is soley responsible for me even getting into underground metal. I used to be like your every day highschool kid when I was a freshman, I would listen to what is on the radio, and think it is cool, I saw Korn live and even *gasp bought a limp bizkit cd blindly when I was a freshman. Then I found Iced Earth. By my senior year I was listening to Bodom, Nevermore, Symphony X, Dream Theater, Hypocrisy, Dimmu Borgir, Soilwork, Arch Enemy, etc etc etc. Iced Earth was the first band I ever had felt attached to, and could buy their cd and listen to it front to back and like all songs and not which one was popular on the radio. Therefore Iced Earth will remain the band that saved metal for me.
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