This raises a question of philosophy.
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RETIREDTrapped
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A 'computer' is a machine that is programmed by man to make life easier for mankind. You cannot 'Program' a computer to be 'Unprogrammable'.
...We can program a computer to act humna, but it cannot choose to act any specific way without having been programmed/taught to do so.
It would be interesting to step into the mind of another, and see if they are like yourself. For every one of us, WE are the only conscious mind. We only see life from our own vantage-point.
...We can program a computer to act humna, but it cannot choose to act any specific way without having been programmed/taught to do so.
It would be interesting to step into the mind of another, and see if they are like yourself. For every one of us, WE are the only conscious mind. We only see life from our own vantage-point.
without emotions how could computers even be "conscious" they would still be slaves to humans....and your right there are a hella lot of people who aren't internally conscious
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Exactly.
A computer doesn't think. It is programmed to act. It is a conditioned response based on humna direction.
Just like Pavlov's dogs actually.
A computer doesn't think. It is programmed to act. It is a conditioned response based on humna direction.
Just like Pavlov's dogs actually.
TexasFriedCriminal
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it's just a matter of complexity.
the information density that builds up in what creates human behavior is massive, to say the least. nothing artificial comes near it yet, but this may change, and we might really be unable to tell the difference one day.
remember, we too are programmed.
the information density that builds up in what creates human behavior is massive, to say the least. nothing artificial comes near it yet, but this may change, and we might really be unable to tell the difference one day.
remember, we too are programmed.
RETIREDTrapped
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no, we are conditioned.
Two totally different things.
Humans work by force of habit.
Computers work the way they do because they are TOLD to, they know nothing else.
Two totally different things.
Humans work by force of habit.
Computers work the way they do because they are TOLD to, they know nothing else.
DracWell
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Remember. Technology will lead to a computer that have an own "brain". Such as: it tried something and doesn't work, remembers it and learn a new way. All by it self... They'll be selfgoing...
Then. you have the A.I. things... what if you take the brain from a person and makes it survive in a little alcohol tank... then connected to a computer such as it was conneted to it's body before...
what do we have? a trans-human or a "living" computer?
Then. you have the A.I. things... what if you take the brain from a person and makes it survive in a little alcohol tank... then connected to a computer such as it was conneted to it's body before...
what do we have? a trans-human or a "living" computer?
Well. your points are good. but can a feeling be created in man? if yes, then can by same method be created in a machine? no? or not yet? what is consiousness anyway? is it an action of the mind (which is called thought) compined to perceptions of one man's experience? if it is an action, then it wouldn't be sooo difficult to discover the procceses that consist this action, and the sequense of them so that this action can be created, i think. why isn't that someone else has programmed man to act like a man (of course i don't take it religiously)?
imagine an experiment like this:
machines and ppl answering a phone number randomly. each machine is programmed with high Artificial intelligence technology which allows the machines to sound gently, frowned, rude, wisely etc. if the ppl who call this number can't tell the difference between ppl and machines, should this be considered consiousness on behalf of the machinery? what if someone who was crying because he was sad called and a machine managed to make him feel happy with its answers, showing compassion, kindness anbd all that? would that be consoius?
imagine an experiment like this:
machines and ppl answering a phone number randomly. each machine is programmed with high Artificial intelligence technology which allows the machines to sound gently, frowned, rude, wisely etc. if the ppl who call this number can't tell the difference between ppl and machines, should this be considered consiousness on behalf of the machinery? what if someone who was crying because he was sad called and a machine managed to make him feel happy with its answers, showing compassion, kindness anbd all that? would that be consoius?
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DracWell
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*lol*
trapped. I was thinking more on Robocop
well. technology will lead to humancomputers. no doubt about that... just imageine, it might seem like SF now but not to long ago the thought of having this "little" device on your desk called Computer was just SF.
trapped. I was thinking more on Robocop
well. technology will lead to humancomputers. no doubt about that... just imageine, it might seem like SF now but not to long ago the thought of having this "little" device on your desk called Computer was just SF.
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ha ha.
That was INCREDIBLY juvenile of me.
Yeah, i know what you mean. It'll be interesting to see.
Personally, i wouldn't like to progress any further. I think we are digging a deeper and deeper hole for ourselves.
That was INCREDIBLY juvenile of me.
Yeah, i know what you mean. It'll be interesting to see.
Personally, i wouldn't like to progress any further. I think we are digging a deeper and deeper hole for ourselves.
DracWell
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But that's almost a "destiny" for homosapiens. we evolve ourself from this race into another beeing.
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TexasFriedCriminal
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we are conditioned from the moment we make experiences, when our basic programming (read DNA maybe?) begins to relate, to adapt to learn.
Consciousness is the abillity to regonice one own's existence as a singular entity.
both of these concepts should theoretically be achieveable in a program code of sufficient complexity.
Mankind ascendent... ?
In essence, with capabillities no longer controlable by evolutionary principles, we need to step beyond natural evolution and begin to manipulate our own development in order to survive as a species.
the basic needs for evolutionary success are still the driving powers behind every action of this dominant species, but the effects of these actions have long since outgrown their original aims. in essence we repeat behavior that once let to our domination of the earth, but now threatens to destroy us.
but wow can we, at a lower level of evolution plot the achieving of a higher level ?
despite of this, our only hope is to change the basic behavior patterns of the meat machines, we need to do that which a computer should not be capable of, alter our programming.
Consciousness is the abillity to regonice one own's existence as a singular entity.
both of these concepts should theoretically be achieveable in a program code of sufficient complexity.
Mankind ascendent... ?
In essence, with capabillities no longer controlable by evolutionary principles, we need to step beyond natural evolution and begin to manipulate our own development in order to survive as a species.
the basic needs for evolutionary success are still the driving powers behind every action of this dominant species, but the effects of these actions have long since outgrown their original aims. in essence we repeat behavior that once let to our domination of the earth, but now threatens to destroy us.
but wow can we, at a lower level of evolution plot the achieving of a higher level ?
despite of this, our only hope is to change the basic behavior patterns of the meat machines, we need to do that which a computer should not be capable of, alter our programming.
sacrament_666
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Almost any discussion about man and computers reminds me of the movie "Westworld." You've probably all have seen it, about a technological amusement park gone out of control. The robots/androids were so lifelike, practically human, but they developed complex syndromes faster than the scientists who built them could resolve, which resulted in chaos. The humans could not control or stop the androids, which eventually turned against the humans. That movie pretty much sums up my fear - in our quest to further advance science and technology, man will lose control and ultimately fall prey to his own creation in some form or another.
MetalManCPA
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As a computer is programmed by humans, humans are programmed by their surroundings, of which a lot of those surroundings were created by humans.
Computers are the first intelligent non life form, or at least they are not a life form yet. Humans knowledge comes from learning from other humans - as does a computers knowledge. As technology advances at an exponential rate, the amount of information that can be processed also increases exponentially. Who is not to say that eventually, computers (or some form ie:robotics), which can see through man-made optics, will be able to assimilate information as well, if not better than humans? I don't think it's a far-fetched concept that at some future time, technology will overtake humans as the dominant species? I've always believed that mankind is creating their own demise - technology. Wars, bombs, they won't render mankind extinct - but technology? As humans begin to clone themselves, technology may begin to clone itself.
The possibility is there - IMO.
Computers are the first intelligent non life form, or at least they are not a life form yet. Humans knowledge comes from learning from other humans - as does a computers knowledge. As technology advances at an exponential rate, the amount of information that can be processed also increases exponentially. Who is not to say that eventually, computers (or some form ie:robotics), which can see through man-made optics, will be able to assimilate information as well, if not better than humans? I don't think it's a far-fetched concept that at some future time, technology will overtake humans as the dominant species? I've always believed that mankind is creating their own demise - technology. Wars, bombs, they won't render mankind extinct - but technology? As humans begin to clone themselves, technology may begin to clone itself.
The possibility is there - IMO.
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...What? So you mean that it's because Britney Spears and Korn are plastered all over the radio that we both listen to Opeth??
BAH!
You create your own mind.
DracWell
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*lol* good point... that might have to do with ppl that is honest to them self and don't take in the musical surrounding in media and such
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DracWell
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That's true... as for focusing on music. you could see it as a big path where most can go.. but other choses to take some sideways and explore the nature around the mainway... that's a pretty nice metaphor, not only for music. but life in general... the most ppl usually go the main way... some others want mroe and explore the side ways =)
damn. I feel wise right now
damn. I feel wise right now
