I've always honored the music of Dissection (despite the last album) so this comes as a shock, but also fitting end for the band. Also please fix the picture.
Thus End the Dark Legacy of Dissection
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Thidrek
Dichter (und) Denker
Sorry, but this whole thing is as stupid as can be. Alright, he died for his belief, that's to be honoured! But committing suicide while on "top" of one's life is as yellow as committing suicide because of depressions or the like. It's like having saved a lot of money and not daring to invest it. Jon fled from the things to come.
You have to except that life is an up- and downswing of good and bad situations. If you cannot stand it: Piss off! But don't expect any salvation for your gutlessness!
You have to except that life is an up- and downswing of good and bad situations. If you cannot stand it: Piss off! But don't expect any salvation for your gutlessness!
karpsmom
Member
Just because you kill yourself at the peak of your life, it doesnt have to be attributed to cowardice. He felt his life was fulfilled and wanted to go out while he felt spiritually, physically, and mentally optimal. He believed he had a destiny, and that it was fulfilled.
Lord Vengeance
Lord Vengeance
.....hmmm.....believing that he felt that he was at the 'peak' of his life would imply that he could see the future.Otherwise how could he know,or not know,that tomorrow wouldn't be even better,or worse.Which creates a paradox;IF he could see the future and know that he was at his peak,and could not use that foreknowledge to better himself...would that not make him unhappy and unfullfilled in the knowing that his life held nothing in means of a 'destiny'?...i mean ,seeing the future 3 days ago would have told him this,right?
Obviously now one knows what will happen tomorow.
Obviously no one knows God exists or not. But some choose to BELIEVE he does exist, and some choose to believe he does NOT exist.
The same way Jon decided to BELIEVE that he was at the peak of his life, as he felt in his guts.
And if you really wanna go with the logical purelery rethorical point of view, he WAS at the peak of his life since he's now dead. He looked behind him and saw he was higher than he had ever been, according to his own standards. Whatever could've happenned the next day that could have taken him higher did not happen, thus making the day he died the peak of his life.
And if you really wanna keep playing around with what hasn't happenned yet, then you're the one supposing stuff you do not know. :Smug:
Obviously no one knows God exists or not. But some choose to BELIEVE he does exist, and some choose to believe he does NOT exist.
The same way Jon decided to BELIEVE that he was at the peak of his life, as he felt in his guts.
And if you really wanna go with the logical purelery rethorical point of view, he WAS at the peak of his life since he's now dead. He looked behind him and saw he was higher than he had ever been, according to his own standards. Whatever could've happenned the next day that could have taken him higher did not happen, thus making the day he died the peak of his life.
And if you really wanna keep playing around with what hasn't happenned yet, then you're the one supposing stuff you do not know. :Smug:
Well I'm guessing he'd not see that as "going haywire" but rather as "having the strength to overcome the instincts". It's all relative...
karpsmom
Member
Tyraz
apprentice of balance
Maybe he was at the peak of his life, maybe he was not. But he was just one more idiot who left the world. I mean, come on... SOTLB is a good album but there are way more spectacular composers and musicians out there who weren't as violent, psychotic and through like Mr.Nödtveidt was...
I see nothing wrong in this suicide. But maybe not because I feel the same about reaching one's destiny but more because I'm quite fine about such a respectless being without at least the slightest idea of the value of life turning a weapon against himself.
I'd prefer 'may he be forgotten' over RIP.
I see nothing wrong in this suicide. But maybe not because I feel the same about reaching one's destiny but more because I'm quite fine about such a respectless being without at least the slightest idea of the value of life turning a weapon against himself.
I'd prefer 'may he be forgotten' over RIP.
Everyone likes to whine about "Reinkaos" despite that it's an great album, i hope those who constantly nags about his criminality and don't/didn't like Dissection because of that don't listen to the following black metal bands (by obvious reasons); Mayhem, Burzum, Gorgoroth, Emperor, SCUM, Blood Tsunami, Disel Beast, Aborym, Zyklon, Thorns, Darkthrone and many more.
Unless you don't "care" what these people do when it's not a record.
Anti-Cosmic Metal of Death!
Unless you don't "care" what these people do when it's not a record.
Anti-Cosmic Metal of Death!
Thidrek
Dichter (und) Denker
thruldom said:
i agree. althought Jon did say that the album Reinkaos was written witht he purpose of satanic ritual and that the actual songwirting was influenced directly by satanisim, i mean he said that the lyrics and even the music it's self with satanic intent.
in an interview Jon says of Reinkaos "Lyrically the songs are based on invocations and formulas that have been linked into the lyrics to evoke the powers that they represent. Occult musical theory has been applied in the song writing process as a means of symbolically charging their structures......The songs have all been written with the intention of using sounds and vibrations as an Anti-Cosmic tool and they have all been consciously created to be the vessels for these powers."
with that in mind if you didn't like satanic stuff you might not want to listen to this album.
I'm not a satanist and i listen to it, Dissection is my favorite band.
In regards to Jon killing himself it seems a lot of his MLO friends believed that he was passing on to a different level of Existance. As Alec Walter Conway says he believed he had reached the peak in this world of what he could do and felt it was time to commit his anti-comic war to a higher level of existance.
