jdelpi
Imported Killer
lokey said:
Him being alive doesn't bring anyone back or change a thing either. And who cares what criminals think of the criminal justice system?
tookie
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Him being alive doesn't bring anyone back or change a thing either. And who cares what criminals think of the criminal justice system?
IAN442
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Good for Arnold...this son of a bitch has more than enough chances to REALLY help undo the damage he has cost this nation, the Crips and Bloods have a small outpost in town near me next to the army post.
Thing is he could have "snitched" and done the right thing,,,but no he held out and just used the system as a crutch...
Live by the sword, Die by the sword.
Cleanup on Aisle 13.
Thing is he could have "snitched" and done the right thing,,,but no he held out and just used the system as a crutch...
Live by the sword, Die by the sword.
Cleanup on Aisle 13.
ThraxMan
Metal Madman
We as humans have no right to decide who lives and who dies. Who are we to judge? Let God deal with this man when his time comes. Killing this man won't bring the victims back. Those involved with these executions decisions will go straight to hell. Killing is killing no matter the reasons. This world is becoming barbaric and immoral. It's really scarry. Death is the easy way out and there is no suffering involved. At least if you have a life sentance in prison, you will be in your own hell until you die. And that by far is worse than death...no freedoms, no nothing. Justice should be swift, not prolonged for over 20 years. People change over that course of time and they are totally different people by then in most cases. I have lost all respect for Mr. Arnold...
ThraxMan
ThraxMan
ThraxMan said:
I agree with your opinion on the death sentence. But I still think Arnold made the right choice by not stopping the execution. It would only delay it, not stop it. Tookie is guilty and there's no denying it.
Also, why is Hollywood in an uproar about this and trying to stop it?? Hollywood is so stupid sometimes. This guy not only murdered but he also co-founded a gang that only spawned more gangs nationwide, and subsequently more violence, theft, rape and murders.
You don't see Hollywood going apeshit about some guy on death row with a far less profile as this guy Tookie.
DeathsHead
All Knowing All Seeing
As the bible states: an eye for an eye, tooth for tooth
What does keeping him alive do for society as a whole? What redeeming quality does it have?-none. He is a rabid and dangerous animal in human form.
jdelpi
Imported Killer
ThraxMan said:
It would have been nice if this Tookie had felt the same way.
ThraxMan said:
We are the people who have to put up with these fucking assholes who kill INNOCENT people.
ThraxMan said:
I don't believe in God, but even if there were one, speeding along the process doesn't seem so bad.
ThraxMan said:
Nor will keeping him alive. Your point?
ThraxMan said:
That's your opinion, assuming the existence of such a "place."
ThraxMan said:
Well yeah, A is A. What's your point? If your point is to say all killing is equal, then I'd have to say you're crazy. The cop who shot the man who killed Dimebag and several others is NOT at the same level of the man he killed. I think the problem many DP supporters have with DP opponents is that DP opponents place murderers at the same level of innocent victims.
ThraxMan said:
So your solution is to go easy on the criminals?
ThraxMan said:
Suffering is not the main point. Getting rid of the murderer is the point.
ThraxMan said:
If that's the case, why is the man trying to avoid the death penalty in favor of life in prison?
ThraxMan said:
Justice being swift would be an argument in favor of the death penalty. Sure, the DP takes a long time, but it's still shorter than life in prison.
ThraxMan said:
I'm sure that makes him sad enough that he might let the murderer live. (sarcasm)
this eye for and eye tooth for a tooth thing is bullshit, christians are fucked in the head quite frankly.....how anyone religious can spout this stuff and fully believe it so beyond me, i clearly dont get it......... this thread just makes me dperessed about people even more.......i'm off to talk about comics or summink
Jockthrax
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I dont agree with the way America uses he death penalty but i also dont agree with the way that in the UK you get only 16 years for the same crime. Bring in castration and branding I say.....
I dont agree with the way America uses he death penalty but i also dont agree with the way that in the UK you get only 16 years for the same crime. Bring in castration and branding I say.....
Hawng
Internationaly known
Bleearg
Hey Gordy!
lokey said:hey nice one for the list of states, interesting to read for sure, seems to be that out of the states that dont have the death penalty, only michagan and rhode island might actually have something going on worthy of the penalty
So you think some crimes are worthy of the death penalty?
lokey said:this eye for and eye tooth for a tooth thing is bullshit, christians are fucked in the head quite frankly.....how anyone religious can spout this stuff and fully believe it so beyond me, i clearly dont get it......... this thread just makes me dperessed about people even more.......i'm off to talk about comics or summink
Why?? Because you can only kill Tookie once instead of 4 times????
Why do you state " not very christian is it.." to turn around and say "christians are fucked in the head quite frankly"???
First you critize someone for not being very Christian, and then you say their beliefs are bullshit anyway.
T_man357
Locked & Loaded
T_man357
Locked & Loaded
some things that interested me about all this:
- tookie's son is a crip and is currently in prison for murder (!)
- tookie met arnie 30 years ago while they were both bodybuilders
- arnie made millions 'killing' people on screen
- tookie claimed he was innocent but in 25 years him and his team were not able to prove his innocence
- if you write children's books years after killing 4 people i don't see how that makes killing those 4 people any less of a crime
- portayed himself as 'good' but apparently violent behaviour in prison
- they kept him alive for 25 years
- he tried to redeem himself through his books and talks, but can a murderer ever be fully redeemed??
tookie obviously had LOTS of time to reflect upon what he did - and i guess it's the least one could expect from him that is truly sorry for founding the crips and all the shit he's done in his past. (although he never admitted to the murders.)
he wrote books and gave lectures via the phone to warn kids about the dangers of gang-life. ok so that is quite admirable but what else did he have to do while locked up in his cell?
and was all those books and stuff just a manipulative means for him to get people to think differently of him?
i'm being purely speculative here and i'm guessing that while he was in solitary for 6 years tookie actually became a 'different' and new person and denied he committed those murders. that new part of himself could not comprehend his old self (even though he did commit the murders) - his new self just was not able to see how 'he' was able to do such a thing. he just tried to bury those incidents deep inside his psyche.
and as such he never owned up to the murders in all these years.
but he was still a murderer...
- tookie's son is a crip and is currently in prison for murder (!)
- tookie met arnie 30 years ago while they were both bodybuilders
- arnie made millions 'killing' people on screen
- tookie claimed he was innocent but in 25 years him and his team were not able to prove his innocence
- if you write children's books years after killing 4 people i don't see how that makes killing those 4 people any less of a crime
- portayed himself as 'good' but apparently violent behaviour in prison
- they kept him alive for 25 years
- he tried to redeem himself through his books and talks, but can a murderer ever be fully redeemed??
tookie obviously had LOTS of time to reflect upon what he did - and i guess it's the least one could expect from him that is truly sorry for founding the crips and all the shit he's done in his past. (although he never admitted to the murders.)
he wrote books and gave lectures via the phone to warn kids about the dangers of gang-life. ok so that is quite admirable but what else did he have to do while locked up in his cell?
and was all those books and stuff just a manipulative means for him to get people to think differently of him?
i'm being purely speculative here and i'm guessing that while he was in solitary for 6 years tookie actually became a 'different' and new person and denied he committed those murders. that new part of himself could not comprehend his old self (even though he did commit the murders) - his new self just was not able to see how 'he' was able to do such a thing. he just tried to bury those incidents deep inside his psyche.
and as such he never owned up to the murders in all these years.
but he was still a murderer...
T_man357
Locked & Loaded
thanks.
i am on the fence about this whole debate. the more i read from both sides of the argument the harder i find it to make up my mind.
i am on the fence about this whole debate. the more i read from both sides of the argument the harder i find it to make up my mind.
Burn em all!:Spin: Nah, not really. but crime is getting so out of hand, and one of the reasons is that punishment is non existent. xx hours of community service for assaulting 2 people? that non punishment, its something to do. I had my skull stomped on by a guy 2 years ago and i was hopitallised for a week, and that guy only got like, 6 months in jail. My confidence was (and still is, to an extent) shot to shit after that, and i still have a deep scar on the side of my head where bits of my skull were poking out.
While that guy was in prison he'd have had video games, cable TV, regular fresh air and somewhere free to sleep.
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err, forgot got the point i was making....oh, yeah. punish the fuckers an cut their nuts off or Burn em.
While that guy was in prison he'd have had video games, cable TV, regular fresh air and somewhere free to sleep.
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err, forgot got the point i was making....oh, yeah. punish the fuckers an cut their nuts off or Burn em.
Arg_Hamster
Not quite done yet...
Writing a book (even for children) doesn´t make you a saint. You all know my stance on the death penalty but in my opinion far better people than Tookie have been killed by governments over the last 10 000 thousand years.
Tookie made an impact and warned kids about joining gangs, great but he could have confessed about his crimes and that would have made an even greater impact as I do belive he was guilty of them. Just saying "Hey kids, gangs are bad and violence is wrong" when you can´t confess what you have done yourself is hypocritical.
Tookie made an impact and warned kids about joining gangs, great but he could have confessed about his crimes and that would have made an even greater impact as I do belive he was guilty of them. Just saying "Hey kids, gangs are bad and violence is wrong" when you can´t confess what you have done yourself is hypocritical.
Bleearg said:
siiiiiiiiigh, no i dont think ANY crime is worthy of the death penalty, i was going by the american system which thinks its great in most of the states, and the states that ban it are pretty muchthe states that have no people in.......again i generalised........
i dont get your kill tookie four times comment, i didnt want him dead once?
um and finally.....i didnt say i was a christian, .............so yeah it makes sense to me, christians are fucked in the head for these are the people that believe in forgiveness and the death penalty, thats some crazy contradictory shit going on.....very confused people...............again not all of them are fucke din the head, just most
you know over here, last week there was a terrible case of some kid who got bludgeoned to death by a psycho purely cos he was black, his mother was on tv sobbing her heart out as you'd expect, her words troughthe sobbing were that her son was special and taken for no reason..... but she forgives the hillers, god tells her to forgive, so she must....... i am not a christian but that to me is the christian faith speaking........ not you took my eye give me fuckin yours.........
anyway like i say this thread only helps further destroy my "faith" in humanity........ aaahhh humans what a great species eh
