Oh I love it, everything about Alder Fates... when Im in the mood, all that Fates stuff connected with me on a personal level. Much of it was almost my story of a lost 80's relationship that was never resolved for either of us, other things got in the way. I have been to that place where the mood of that music comes from... its why I said painful. The band always freaked me out, it was as if they were writting the story of my personal life... and their name was "Fates Warning"... really freaked me out. Are your APSOG songs IV, VI or XII ? They are my favs but I play everything from Symmetry on in their entirety, but when I do Im going to a bad place.