Update ToxicGrindMachine

[Black neon bob]

Right.. here is small clip of the vocals IN the mix.
Some r-comp, reverb and minor EQ settings.

Very short, done in 30 minutes or so.. just to give you all a idea of what direction it's going to.


ftp://sneapforum:sn3apf0rum@sneapfo...ob/audio/bastard breed short vocal test 1.mp3

Like i said.. small clip, done pretty quick, i think the vocals have to be just a bit louder/clearer.. but you get the idea.

 

[smy1]

Hm, sorry bro. Not my thing. Lacking balls IMO ...

 

[JeffTD]

I'm gonna have to agree with Smy on this one - not digging it. Not much power behind it, which your music really needs.

 

[Black neon bob]

okay... what would you guys suggest to get more power out of it? i compressed it pretty hard allready.

 

[cobhc]

I agree on the vocals, you need someone deep and powerful dude!

 

[Black neon bob]

I agree on the vocals, you need someone deep and powerful dude!

Well, i still have the idea of getting two singers on this project.. one high screamer like ma boy killdivision does, and one for lower grunts/screams.

 

[JeffTD]

okay... what would you guys suggest to get more power out of it? i compressed it pretty hard allready.

It's more an issue with the singer, I feel :-/. It sounds like he's not a natural HPF going or something.

When I imagine your stuff, I hear someone like the guy from DÅÅTH, Sybreed, etc..

 

[smy1]

The voice is simply too clean. It needs more grit and "rasp" ... what Melissa Cross would name "Fry" in her 2nd video. And DSS3 is right when he says that the voice lacks low frequency power.

I tend to scream like that, too and I noticed on my new record that when I purposely try to pitch my screams lower, I gain a lot of bottom end and it sounds really heavy.

Also a simple fix: insert Cubase Quadrafuzz Distortion on the "Tightener" preset. Then roll of highs a lot.

 

[KeithRT99]

i agree about the vocals, I think someone with a more brutal or gritty sound would be a better fit.

 

[Zombietakeover]

these ppl are crazy i like his voice alot.....Just maybe add a low voice to it here and there to mix it up

 

[Black neon bob]

these ppl are crazy i like his voice alot.....Just maybe add a low voice to it here and there to mix it up

That's what i was thinking as well... mixing it up is never a bad thing.

Thanks for the tips Smy!

 

[smy1]

That's what i was thinking as well... mixing it up is never a bad thing.

Thanks for the tips Smy!

You're welcome.

To clarify something: by saying "purposely pitch my screams lower" I mean while I am singing, I choose a lower pitch. I didn't mean I use a pitch shifting algorithm later ...

I just reread my post and thought that might have been worded confusingly.

 

[F.E.T]

I agree with Mr Strain, these vocals remind me of Dimmu and I think these kind of vocals fit very well. The only thing is that the intensity is varying.. Sorry can´t find any other word, but a bit more "grit" or "agression". IMHO, I wouldn´t have deep deep growling unless it is to accentuate certain parts.

Just my 2 cents

 

[KillDivision]

While i'm "dwarfing" here on the vocals, i see the points you guys make.

Just recorded Demise and however i like it, I can see a lot of people will hate the vocals while they love the music.

There is no ego-thing, so i'm willing to hand over the mike to a better singer. (I have my own band to wank on) Bob's songs are too good to waste on bad vocals.


I'm glad my Diezel VH4 will be on this record, cause it's so damn raw. It will make the music even more brutal. But vocals are 50% of the sound, if not more.

Having said that, i know the contrast between the music and the vocals will be too much for a lot of people.

I would like people over here to make suggestions who would be great on TGM. Who would fit in the music and would be willing to record their vocals?

 

[Seizure.]

You sound awesome0 in Deadhead, so maybe its realy something music related!

 

[ahjteam]

okay... what would you guys suggest to get more power out of it? i compressed it pretty hard allready.

Just get more agressive screams from the man, not the tools. The more pressure you get out, the better. I would say either scream so that it hurts, or grunt so that you cant speak for the next few hours (to days if your voice is not used to that kind of stuff). You know, emotion? Its the only way I've been able to squeeze from the singers I've tracked.

 

[Razorjack]

Just get more agressive screams from the man, not the tools. The more pressure you get out, the better. I would say either scream so that it hurts, or grunt so that you cant speak for the next few hours (to days if your voice is not used to that kind of stuff). You know, emotion? Its the only way I've been able to squeeze from the singers I've tracked.

WTF!?! You are seriously suggesting someone screams/grunts so that they injure their vocal chords? That's the most amateur thing I've ever heard touted as advice.

Please, please stop pushing your artists like this. If they can't do it whilst recording without messing up their voice what will a 30 date tour do to them?

 

[KillDivision]

You sound awesome0 in Deadhead, so maybe its realy something music related!

In DeadHead I use my voice totally different.
But indeed DeadHead is oldskool thrashmetal wich suits my voice better.

 

[smy1]

WTF!?! You are seriously suggesting someone screams/grunts so that they injure their vocal chords? That's the most amateur thing I've ever heard touted as advice.

Please, please stop pushing your artists like this. If they can't do it whilst recording without messing up their voice what will a 30 date tour do to them?

Absolutely true. There is no reason to fuck up your voice.

 

[kev]

I dont think he meant it really literally guys, think maybe more ala the time Brucey D was tracking the number of the beast scream lol