US Sneapsters - Sign This Petition and Fight Piracy!
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NoSoup4you22
Keep on blorpin'
In the USA, the government is designed to be an instrument of the people. Corporations are formed by people as well. Obviously, like any such instrument, these types of legislation could be abused by corrupt parties or individuals, but with so much public scrutiny regarding all things online and all things corrupt, such abuse is unlikely to be sustainable or profitable.
The spirit and purpose of this act is very clear - it is to protect all rights-holders, no matter how big or small. There is no reason why this can't work to prevent the overwhelming majority of piracy online.
AD Chaos
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I have a hard time believing you are being serious here.
The 'spirit and purpose' behind it is to buy off the internet, screw over artists and small/independent media content producers, charge for, regulate and censor every content, according to corporate interests. Much like what television is.
I am completely serious. Either you get involved in the conversation and make governments and corporations hear your voice with your vote and your wallet, or you let these forces toil away. There's nothing fundamentally wrong with the idea of governments, law enforcement, or record labels.
The problems we've had with these types of entities are the results of corrupt individuals usurping these systems for personal gain. These days, it's pretty obvious to spot when corruption happens, and it's necessary at times to get new laws passed to fight corruption. When you assume that you are powerless to influence your government, you give corrupt politicians more power, by assuming you have no voice and no influence - it's a self fulfilling prophecy.
Nobody, however, could be more corrupt then the individuals running (and profiting from) piracy websites - many of whom have ties with organized crime, for example in Russia where the law enforcement is virtually powerless against the mob. This is a corruption that has crippled entire industries and created tons of job loss. This job loss in turn is an important part of the overall fabric of economic downturn that has resulted in the Occupy Wall Street movement, among other things.
No, it's not, and obviously you haven't read the act if you think so. How, specifically, do you foresee the Stop Online Piracy Act as a means to "screw over artists and small/independent media content producers?" I'm all ears, mind you, I just literally can't think of how it could be used for that.
egan.
daylightdies.com
Anyone entering the discussions should probably read the bill:
http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/pdf/112 HR 3261.pdf
http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/pdf/112 HR 3261.pdf
Jrich4967
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my only problem with blacklist type bills is that the bills could eventually lead to censoring information even more than they already are, because the blacklist wont only be applying to piracy websites. and it could get as hectic as fucking with youtube so much because bands and musicians dont like their music being used behind a video if they arent getting paid for it.
Joshua Wickman
Yes Sir!
I hate the argument "people are still going to steal/pirate stuff regardless".
So, people should not fight it just because of that?
Fuck that, they need to crack down on it and then maybe we can have a decent future in this industry. I'm sick of working for peanuts and it's only getting worse. Budgets get less and less each year and this is the main reason. People who think it is ok to steal/pirate everything are not earning a living in the industry.
So, people should not fight it just because of that?
Fuck that, they need to crack down on it and then maybe we can have a decent future in this industry. I'm sick of working for peanuts and it's only getting worse. Budgets get less and less each year and this is the main reason. People who think it is ok to steal/pirate everything are not earning a living in the industry.
+1
It's like saying we shouldn't bother trying to arrest burglars or bank robbers, since people are just going to steal anyway.
And it's not just you and I - all I'm hearing from all levels of this industry is the same thing - shrinking budgets, lowered expectations - even from guys I know with Grammies under their belts still getting work from the majors. It's time for a change.
ahjteam
Anssi Tenhunen
When I was living for 4 months in the States, the school and the dorms had a MASSIVE blocklist on their filters, mostly stuff like porn, piracy and even some places like 4chan. Took me literally like 7 minutes to find a proxy that I could use to access all of those except 4chan, because it bans everyone using a proxy.
And that works fine for browsing pages, but wait until you need to actually download a file or log in to a site through a web form (such as a private torrent tracker.) Then the Proxy will want money.
AD Chaos
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These legislation efforts are not really meant to fight piracy, anyway.
It's just corporations and governments trying to own and regulate (sensor) the internet, for THEIR own benefit.
Not yours.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement
http://www.ustr.gov/acta
It's just corporations and governments trying to own and regulate (sensor) the internet, for THEIR own benefit.
Not yours.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement
http://www.ustr.gov/acta
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The details of ACTA haven't been disclosed, but it is scary, I agree. However, ACTA is not SOPA. At least SOPA is being voted on democratically, via standard US process, and the full text is disclosed.
I also feel that if SOPA passes, and if it doesn't make a dent in piracy, then nothing will, and we'll just have to resign ourselves to living with piracy from then on. I'm beginning to think none of this shit will pass, and that in many ways it will be for the better. I'd rather have a bunch of n00bs thieving my shit then corporations censoring our lives, if I have to pick one of those two options.
I also feel that if SOPA passes, and if it doesn't make a dent in piracy, then nothing will, and we'll just have to resign ourselves to living with piracy from then on. I'm beginning to think none of this shit will pass, and that in many ways it will be for the better. I'd rather have a bunch of n00bs thieving my shit then corporations censoring our lives, if I have to pick one of those two options.
JeffEstrada
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Last thing I heard from facebook was that it's actually profiting from private user info.
Folkrav
Jean-Sébastien Beaulieu
So a massive DNS/IP blocklist controlled by government/lobbyists is supposed to be better for us? Remember how easy it would be for them to block anything they would not like. Sounds like legalizing censorship for me. Fuck that shit... You can't give that kind of power to one entity.
I've changed my mind, upon further research. While I support the aims of this bill, I think this bill will be ineffective if passed, and set a dangerous precedent for Internet freedom. This isn't the right way to fight piracy, it's dated and stupid.
fatalforce
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Did you read the SOPA bill as well?
http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/pdf/112 HR 3261.pdf
Here's a summary:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/10/sopa-hollywood-finally-gets-chance-break-internet
Of course, I read it from day one. My further research is based on the technology implementation itself and how easy it is now to get around with existing browser plugins. No point in implementing a system that doesn't work.
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