VADER 4X12 cabs vs mesa 4X12

[Incognito Man]

anyone have any insight on this? oversize meas 4x12 vs the vader 4x12 for thrash metal

right now i got a 1960 w/g12t's and i am looking to upgrade and i heard both of these cabs kill what i currently have.

 

[006]

Mesa all the way. Though I think if the Vader had V30's it might be ok. Do they make a cab with V30's stock?

 

[electricred]

The stock speakers are terribly flat and have no presence compared to Vintage 30s. They look very cool, but personally I wouldn't waste the money, or even consider them for recording. On stage, the Vaders sound great with buzzy amps like 5150s, but I would still prefer the Mesa.

 

[K Odell]

Yeah those vader cabs are whack. Mesa all the way.

 

[MarcusGHedwig]

Mesa by far, but don't underestimate that Marshall cab either!

 

[Incognito Man]

well, looks like the verdict is in on the mesa!

 

[Shinozoku]

Vaders kill live... Just sayin.

 

[006]

That's what I always hear, and yeah sure it sounds ok live. So do a lot of other cabs that you wouldn't even remotely consider for recording. Just sayin.

 

[electricred]

Vaders kill live... Just sayin.

... until you put them in a room with a Vintage 30 cabinet, and they get drowned in the mix.

 

[PhilTheBeard]

Mesa over a vader any day.

 

[K Odell]

Used a vader for an entire tour and hated it.

 

[Josh Burgess]

My friend has a Vader... always thought it sounded really weird... honky, dull, and dark... no presence... don't really dig it.

 

[jherman]

I toured with Vader cabs for years (I also had the gen1 hand built by Adam ones) , they sound AWESOME when turned up loud. I've used them on ONE project in my studio and I absolutely hated it, very "weak" in the mix even after a ton of processing and EQ. It's like, no matter what i did, they never sounded right. MESA all the way for recording.

 

[disschord]

Mesa is always going sound ace.
I would keep the marshall as well though it has its place on stage or studio as well

 

[PhilTheBeard]

I toured with Vader cabs for years (I also had the gen1 hand built by Adam ones) , they sound AWESOME when turned up loud. I've used them on ONE project in my studio and I absolutely hated it, very "weak" in the mix even after a ton of processing and EQ. It's like, no matter what i did, they never sounded right. MESA all the way for recording.

Yeah the stack's you used in year of desolation where pretty kick ass live! but every other band i ever heard live with vader cab's always had shitty shitty tone