War on ____

[derek]

All western nations (including westernized nations) are governed by the same pathetic force, some to a lesser or greater extent, but still the same.

Is that so?

 

[Rintrah]

Is that so?

Yep.

 

[Norsemaiden]

Yep.

Yes - democracies are bought up by various financial powers such as corporations who buy favours and prefer the population as slaves. Our governments are not loyal to the folk of the nation. They are globalist and internationalist in outlook, while making attempts to thinly disguise this.

 

[Norsemaiden]

I partly disagree with what you're saying. I don't think the government is the enemy nor should it be looked at as such. It should be seen as a necessity about which you can freely state your opinions and hopefully try to change for the better, whether by voting, by interaction with other people (who will later vote), by enlisting to a party etc.

Also, the governements don't create enemies. Terrorism is very real and it is out there, and must be fought. So is drug abuse (though I think that a large percentage of drug use isn't abuse) and countless other things. I do think that the governments hides details, highlights things that are less than true and make us turn a blind eye to things they don't want people to object to. This is sometimes necessary but sometimes leads to power abuse by the government, which in turn leads to a lot of needless suffering...

The Power of Nightmares: Baby It's Cold Outside

Should we be worried about the threat from organised terrorism or is it simply a phantom menace being used to stop society from falling apart?

In the past our politicians offered us dreams of a better world. Now they promise to protect us from nightmares.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/3755686.stm

The documentary can be downloaded there.

 

[derek]

The penchant for hyperbole has still not abandoned this place I see.

 

[JoeVice]

derek, i read that you have a soft spot for cheesy metaphorical conversations. i think thats where real and applied philisophical ideas become sugahhh!!! i hope this doesn't turn you away from here, you pussy.

 

[TheAnonymous]

I find it ridiculous to claim there's no such a thing is terrorism. It's just turning a blind eye to what is certainly out there. Are you saying that every terrorist even that ever happened was a lie?
Maybe from where you live it would be easier to think that. Unless I'm mistaken Britain has only suffered from one terrorist attack in recent years. I live in a country that is under a constant terrorist threat, and certainly these people are not working alone or they would never be able to achieve their accomplishment. They have organizations which in turn have bigger organizations that are responsible for their funding and training, and it is well known that they are active all over the world and it has been proved by terrorist attacks by those organizations in places all over the world. I am truthfully shocked that people try to think otherwise...

 

[derek]

derek, i read that you have a soft spot for cheesy metaphorical conversations. i think thats where real and applied philisophical ideas become sugahhh!!! i hope this doesn't turn you away from here, you pussy.

I was turned away from this place a long time ago. I've seen little to draw me back in the past few years. None of the regulars of old, bar Norsemaiden and Blowtus, seem to post anymore.

 

[JoeVice]

yah, it seems to me a lot of folks, including old posters, frequently lurk around here, but don't post...as if they have something better to do.

 

[Norsemaiden]

I find it ridiculous to claim there's no such a thing is terrorism. It's just turning a blind eye to what is certainly out there. Are you saying that every terrorist even that ever happened was a lie?
Maybe from where you live it would be easier to think that. Unless I'm mistaken Britain has only suffered from one terrorist attack in recent years. I live in a country that is under a constant terrorist threat, and certainly these people are not working alone or they would never be able to achieve their accomplishment. They have organizations which in turn have bigger organizations that are responsible for their funding and training, and it is well known that they are active all over the world and it has been proved by terrorist attacks by those organizations in places all over the world. I am truthfully shocked that people try to think otherwise...

No one is saying there is no such thing as terrorism. Only that terrorism has been deliberately hyped, and even encouraged in a carefully and cynically controlled way.
Israel, as you should know, is a state that was born out of terrorism. 3 Israeli prime ministers were or are terrorists.
http://www.serendipity.li/zionism/israel_terr.htm

The arabs have traditionally been very peaceful - until provoked beyond human tolerance by the inhumanity suffered at the hands of the Israelis that drives many to such extremes of desperation that they would attack an Israeli while armed with nothing more than a cutlery fork.

The war on terror has made targets out of western nations that previously were not. Even then, the muslim extremists seem to prefer to make the point that it is our support for Israel that most angers them. Israel finds it convenient that the terrorists now can attack more than Israel, which gives them a reprieve, whilst aslo being able to say: "look what we suffer. Aren't those arabs a menace?"

Britain has suffered far more terrorism from the IRA than the deaths Israel has suffered from arabs. But the IRA no longer feel the need to bomb.

 

[waif]

I personally don't think the war on terrorism was a necessary one. You're absolutely right when you say that terrorism must be stopped or it'll get worse. I just don't think that, for example, dropping bombs on a country where a mighty terrorist might be hiding is the answer? And the war in Iraq was supposed to be another step in the war on terrorism. Because there were supposed to be illegal mass destruction weapons (I'm sorry if this is not the correct term ).
Wooops. They didn't find illegal weapons. They found a whole lot of oil.

To be honest, the war in Iraq has made things worse in terms of terrorism...

And the funny thing is: our government actually is the real enemy.

Are you kidding me? The reason the drug trade is lethal is because of the War on Drugs. If drugs were legal, individuals would have much easier access to SAFE drugs, and there wouldn't be a huge industry provided to scumbag real criminals.

Chicken or egg?
Either way, legalization would solve a lot of problems.

And that means you don't really know much, except the bile they teach you in gov't-guided health class, which isn't really "knowing," as 99% of it isn't true.

Drugs are the single-most valuable and beneficial biological resource, aside from food, water, and air, known to man.

 

[Rintrah]

Exactly the problem.

 

[waif]

Sorry, but when people say things like "the government is the enemy" or "drugs are our most valid asset" I find it hard to take them seriously.

 

[derek]

To an extent Government as it exists in many Western companies is indeed the enemy. I wouldn't necessarily take that to mean an "Evil Organisation" type of enemy, but they're certainly involved in the spiritual sickness we're all spluttering up.

 

[Norsemaiden]

To an extent Government as it exists in many Western companies is indeed the enemy. I wouldn't necessarily take that to mean an "Evil Organisation" type of enemy, but they're certainly involved in the spiritual sickness we're all spluttering up.

I don't entirely agree with this (mostly because my view of Hitler, who was a National Socialist rather than a fascist, is inconsistent with the impression given here) but I wondered if you have read it and agree with it Derek?

Fascist America, in 10 easy steps

From Hitler to Pinochet and beyond, history shows there are certain steps that any would-be dictator must take to destroy constitutional freedoms. And, argues Naomi Wolf, George Bush and his administration seem to be taking them all.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/apr/24/usa.comment

 

[waif]

To an extent Government as it exists in many Western companies is indeed the enemy. I wouldn't necessarily take that to mean an "Evil Organisation" type of enemy, but they're certainly involved in the spiritual sickness we're all spluttering up.

"Spiritual sickness?"
Please elaborate, as that seems to me like a ridiculous and empty phrase used by talentless metalcore bands.

 

[Silver Incubus]

Think spirit not soul spirit but human spirit. They crush the human spirit with their inane tv and news and with their disregard for human life and well being in general.

 

[Norsemaiden]

Think spirit not soul spirit but human spirit. They crush the human spirit with their inane tv and news and with their disregard for human life and well being in general.

Yes and the way that one's spirit is linked to one's traditional culture, yet we have lost that and have a false artificial consumerist, corporate-serving culture imposed on us. And by means of clever brainwashing this alien globalist-empire-building culture has been loyally embraced by our exploited population and taken as being "anglo saxon culture" (or generally Western culture/ Germanic culture) - which is why our boys will fight and die for it.

There is some analagous situation with a parasitic species of bee that tricks all the bees in a hive to work for it, kills their queen and takes over. I will look for the reference later.

 

[Norsemaiden]

http://www.springerlink.com/content/d2131g1348844671/

Abstract
Social parasitism has evolved at least ten times in the allodapine bees but studies that explore the parasite’s integration and exploitation of host colonies are lacking. Using colony content and dissection data, we examine how Inquilina schwarzi affects the social organisation of its host Exoneura robusta. Our samples include three critical periods in the host life cycle: initial formation of dominance hierarchies in late autumn, commencement of oviposition by host queens in late winter, and development of secondary reproductives in late spring. I. schwarzi preferentially parasitises larger host colonies in autumn, but during autumn and winter, the parasite appears to be socially invisible, living in the nest without disrupting the normal functioning of these colonies. Inquilines begin egg laying much later than their hosts, and by late spring, they have disrupted host reproductive hierarchies, leading to lower skew in ovarian sizes of their host nestmates. Living invisibly within the host nest for the first 6 months and waiting until well after host reproduction has begun before disrupting their social organisation appear to be unique among social insects. Such a change in strategy may be facilitated by the different social systems found in allodapine bees, with the social parasites possibly disrupting the reproductive hierarchies during spring to prevent or reduce the normal dispersal of some host females from their natal nests.

 

[m3th0dm4n]

Sorry, but when people say things like "the government is the enemy" or "drugs are our most valid asset" I find it hard to take them seriously.

Please list reasons why marijuana should remain illegal and in the same breath, justify reasons why alcohol should remain legal.