whats the reason behind micing toms like this?

[jesterroot4]

sorry to be an ass, but i dont have a kit to test and compare the results to hear what is was Chris T was tryin to achieve by placing these SM57's in this position on the toms.

if any one could make a quick comparison i'd be most grateful.
quite interested to see the differance

i could imagen less atack, but i'd like see if this would achieve more roundness from the tom in a weird way aswell as less bleed.


mypsace pic link, hope it works

another view

their aimed almost verticaly pretty much right at the rim of the tom roughly an inch high. not seen this before .

sorry for the spack request

jim

 

[crosstalk]

Links not working for me. Both say the photo was either removed or is private.

 

[Loren Littlejohn]

Links not working for me. Both say the photo was either removed or is private.

same

 

[Loren Littlejohn]

Right click "copy link location" or something like that and post that shit with the around it.

 

[jesterroot4]

here u go, i uploaded them to photobucket. can u see them?

 

[broken81]

It's cause the drummer sucks

No just kidding. I really have no idea but it looks cool right.

 

[everybody's x]

looks normal to me

 

[LSD-Studio]

I guess he's using the 57s to trigger samples later.

 

[jesterroot4]

I guess he's using the 57s to trigger samples later.

nope, the recorded toms were used in my bands demo, Chris Tsangarides uses RADAR, no fancy plugins or anything, pure valve desk EQ and hardware gates,compressors and FXs on sends from his desk.

 

[ExecutiveRob]

looks fine to me too...

I don't normally mic up toms like that but if it sounds good and works for him, it can't be wrong really...

miking at the edge of the tom will have less attack, but you've got to remember that there's loads of attack in the overhead mics anyway - plus miking the edge of the tom will produce more overtones of the drum rather than the fundamental note.

 

[jesterroot4]

looks fine to me too...

I don't normally mic up toms like that but if it sounds good and works for him, it can't be wrong really...

miking at the edge of the tom will have less attack, but you've got to remember that there's loads of attack in the overhead mics anyway - plus miking the edge of the tom will produce more overtones of the drum rather than the fundamental note.

not that its wrong, just interested in the tonal difference

also, check the snare at 1o'clock, the muffler, pronounced 'Moofler' for the fun of it, ever seen this before? its not stuck to the skin, its taped to the rim, and the whole point is that when u hit the snare, it bounces up and drops down again acting like a natural gate, really tightens up the sound if ur looking for that tight snare sound lol

i could give details on how to make a real good DIY one if u guys are interested lol

 

[beyond dead]

that looks similar to how i have tom mics set. i would angle the mic a bit more towards the center of the drum though.

I commented on the tom mic position in the thread that forbidden started with the picture of beneath the massacre`s drum set up. if you are too close to the tom, you get mostly transient, and it is a bitch to make the toms fit in the mix. i have found that if you mic about 3 - 4 inches from the tom, you get a rounder tone.

this is part of the reason i set my cymbals fairly high, so that i can get good tom mic positions, and get less toms in the overhead cymbal mics.

how is everyone else positioning tom mics????


p.s... im interested in this muting block. how does it work? sounds like a good idea, but how well does it work at fast tempos?

 

[Sloan]

also, check the snare at 1o'clock, the muffler, pronounced 'Moofler' for the fun of it, ever seen this before? its not stuck to the skin, its taped to the rim, and the whole point is that when u hit the snare, it bounces up and drops down again acting like a natural gate, really tightens up the sound if ur looking for that tight snare sound lol

i could give details on how to make a real good DIY one if u guys are interested lol

LOL WALLET.

 

[broken81]

Got any sound samples of this? Seems like a good way to keep bleed from cymbals out of your tom mic's.

 

[colonel kurtz]

LOL WALLET.

 

[Tommy Gun]

I've mic'd toms that way, when all I had to work with was 57's.

 

[broken81]

Does it sound good and help with bleed?

 

[jesterroot4]

for the recordings of the pictures i put up, there all at our myspace

p.s... im interested in this muting block. how does it work? sounds like a good idea, but how well does it work at fast tempos?

lol i'v not been able to experiment with fast tempos etc, but u cud give it a try

to make a 'moofler' you will need:
-an empty pack of fags, 10 or 20, your call depending on how heavy u want it to gate.
-sugar or salt
-lots of tape

simply fill the fag pack with sugar or salt, and wrap roughly 10-15 layers of tape around it neatly to seal it tight.
simply place it on the side of the snare and put some tape along the top of down the side of the snare to stop it moving.

when u hit the snare skin, the box will lightly jump a few millimeters in the air and land back on the skin, killing most off your overtone and tightening it up for a short snappy hit

give it a try

give it a try..

 

[ahjteam]

I once tried that straight down micing live, on the drummers request. Melodic power/heavymetal kinda band with keyboards. Used Sennheiser e604:s. In the soundcheck they sounded decent alone, but after he played the full set I went and turned the mics to 45 degree angle. Just wasn't my cup of tea, you really need to hear it because its kinda hard to explain, but you get more of the attack and full tom sound with the 45 degree angle and less from the 90 degree angle.

...also from the same drummers request I put the snare mic at the same angle, I noticed that if you put the snare to a very steep, 45 or higher degree angle, it gives a fvcking awful "ploNg" compared to if you put it instead of the normal 20 degree angle which gives you the skin sound instead of the stuff happening inside the drum.

Always remember to try different angles before starting the recording, it really saves time to use 1 hour to position the mics correctly compared to that you use +10 hours to fix it in the mix.

 

[Metaltastic]

Always remember to try different angles before starting the recording, it really saves time to use 1 hour to position the mics correctly compared to that you use +10 hours to fix it in the mix.

+1 MILLION BILLION TRILLION