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[Notuern]

Notuern, IMO it's both ignorant and sad to say that someone is beyond help or rehabilitation, period

Have you heard of the XYY syndrome?
Its a chromosomal disorder that has been linked with aggressions and "snapping".
1 out of 1,500 people have this disorder, but researches in prisons shows that roughly 10% of the inmates seems to have this disorder.

I have several friends with various mental issues, and its a fact that they cant be "rehabilitated".
One of those friends came to school with a hammer and a screwdriver, because he didnt like how people looked at him.. and he was on medication during that period, that should prevent him from getting that type of psychosis.

Another friend is suicidal, and constantly hears people yelling at her.. strong medication and therapy kept her from taking her life, but she still heard the voices.

And ive talked to a girl that got raped at age 7 by her own dad.. so she started doing drugs to cope with it, then got back on track.. stabbed her boyfriend in the back because he got a message from a girl on his phone(Not cheating, a workfriend.).. last thing i heard about her she was a prostitute.
And yes, this girl has had therapeutic help.. and even got a secret identity and rehab, still didnt work out.

I just dont believe that someone that rapes a 3 year old can be rehabilitated, same goes for killing your own child.
There is a difference in being sick, and being completely mindfucked.

 

[Erik Monsonis]

It freaks me out how can be so close minded to say that anyone deserves life sentence or even death row... For fuck's sake, this is not XIII century

The only human solution would be to give the boy psychiatric attention...
About the girl, she's 3... surely she wouldn't ever remember about the guy touching her... And if the case was given, she would need psychological attention.

No fucking need to humiliate and/or kill anyone, doesn't solve anything.

 

[roy22341]

Sadly, while everyone is focused on the father killing the son, I'm wondering if this poor 3 year old is going to get the help she is so desperately going to need...

That's the real tragedy of this story. The father is not innocent, the son is not innocent. Was one worse than the other? Who gives a flying fuck! There is a child that has been sexually abused and will need countless years of psychiatric help. That's one of the tragedies of this story. The other tragedy is that most of the rest of the media and community is, much like we are I'm sure, more concerned about whether the father was justified in killing his son. There is ONE victim in this case, and I see so few people defending the one true victim that I really question what kind of moral standards this society has.

Although I guess its more entertaining to discuss the gritty details of the father murdering the son than it is to discuss what can be done to help the poor child. Explains why mass media is the way it is today.

 

[Ronixis]

"An eye for an eye and soon the whole world will be blind"

- Gandhi

 

[P-E]

"An eye for an eye and soon the whole world will be blind"

- Gandhi

Cheers

 

[Jeds7800]

Have you heard of the XYY syndrome?
Its a chromosomal disorder that has been linked with aggressions and "snapping".

Aggression is not seen more frequently in 47,XYY males. *"Sex chromosome abnormalities", "The XYY Condition", "Prenatal Diagnosis of Sex Chromosome Abnormalities", "Thompson & Thompson Genetics in Medicine, Revised Reprint ", ""XYY Syndrome"

I have several friends with various mental issues, and its a fact that they cant be "rehabilitated".

So we shouldn't try? So it doesn't work on most people?

I just dont believe that someone that rapes a 3 year old can be rehabilitated, same goes for killing your own child.
There is a difference in being sick, and being completely mindfucked.

There's a difference between a sick 30 year old whose only fetish is little boys and a sick 15 year old who would have probably been placed in the surrogate section of pedophiles. In either case, you might just try castrating the bastards if you really thought that psych rehab wouldn't work.

As for the father, he was in a fit of rage, and probably thought he was somehow sticking to his morals. Look at all the posts in here that favor the father. I think what he did was unacceptable. However, I think he could see the err of his ways (whilst sitting in a cell for a long ass time?).

Although I guess its more entertaining to discuss the gritty details of the father murdering the son than it is to discuss what can be done to help the poor child. Explains why mass media is the way it is today.

It's more entertaining to argue this because people have differing opinions on whether the father was right or wrong. The fact that girl will suffer from this is pretty obvious, amirite?

The only human solution would be to give the boy psychiatric attention...
About the girl, she's 3... surely she wouldn't ever remember about the guy touching her... And if the case was given, she would need psychological attention.

+1

 

[Limak]

Again, Notuern, the boy was only 15, it was very propable he didnt even quite understand word ,,rape,, yet. You talk about cutting penis off while there was no actual proven using of it by this kid. You are putting him on the same line as hairy old guy who loves to molest children and gets his dick up only to babies while this one propably didn't have his first fucking boner yet. Fuck are there really so many that can't see the diffrence? You are willing to put to death someone who propably didn't quite understood how exactly babies are made. Hell maybe he saw something like that on TV and had this stupid teenage idea of doing it. Children at so young age do not have their character fully developed yet, that means that he is NO WAY beyond redemption(not in religion sense, in human sense). What next, if 10 years old would do same thing would you be so willing to have him bestially murdered too? How about 9? 8? Fuck let's get this medieval methods further and if 3 years old would touch a 2 years old in a wrong way lets burn him in fucking furnace. Sounds cool and righteous doesnt it? That kid wasn't even old enough to spend time in jail let alone having death sentence for doing something he propably didn't understand. Let's be sincere, the boy, judging by his reaction after he realised what he has done propably done this only ONCE. The girl won't even remember it. Fuck i don't even remember stuff from when i was 8 or so. It's not like the boy was continuosly abusing her every day.
Actually I'm quite sure if not all this shit sponsored by the ,,father,, she wouldn't remember it, but now with all this fucking shit people will remind her in the future, what happened, to who and for what, think about it for a second.

For fucks sake people...

 

[Erik Monsonis]

Actually I'm quite sure if not all this shit sponsored by the ,,father,, she wouldn't remember it, but now with all this fucking shit people will remind her in the future, what happened, to who and for what, think about it for a second.

For fucks sake people...

Word

 

[drew_drummer]

Sadly, while everyone is focused on the father killing the son, I'm wondering if this poor 3 year old is going to get the help she is so desperately going to need...

I've already made the point that she'll only need help if everyone convinces her that she must be fucked up.

Who knows; she could just go on like nothing happened. It has happened before, and then people go all "What? Shouldn't you be slicing your wrists daily for the rest of your life?"

It's drama.

 

[drew_drummer]

Actually I'm quite sure if not all this shit sponsored by the ,,father,, she wouldn't remember it, but now with all this fucking shit people will remind her in the future, what happened, to who and for what, think about it for a second.

For fucks sake people...

Exactly; for the rest of her life, people are going to be reminding her of this, and that will be the think that screws her up - people constantly fussing and treating her like some leper, because something fucked up happened in her life.

 

[Limak]

There is a child that has been sexually abused and will need countless years of psychiatric help.

If fuckers like those who try to justify father's action will keep reminding her what happened, then yes, she will. I'm quite sure this happened only once(again based on son's actions, he tried something once, understood it was an abomination and was begging for forgiveness). I'm also quite fucking sure on the next day the girl forgot what the fuck was happening then, her only thoughts would be ,,MOMMY MOMMY MMMM CANDIES,, not ,,Oh no, I was raped, I will have trauma for the rest of my life.,,
Imagine her 20 years later, assume this shit with father killing his son didn't happen, people would just forget about it, everything would be kept between the boy, father and mother, no one would remind anyone about it, it happened, was fucked up, the kid who did that took his ass spanking with solid belt, life goes on. She would simply not remember what the fuck she was doing or what happened when she was 3 years old, be serious, who the fuck would?! She just fucking learned how to walk and speak, do you think she fucking understood what that meant when boy was touching her? NOTE touching, again repeating for 100th time there was no proven vaginal intrusion. That means he was TOUCHING HER and that's it. THE 3 YEARS FUCKING OLD GIRL WON'T SEE THE DIFFRENCE YET.
But now imagine her 20 years later, after the shit that actually happened: ,,Oh looks it's Suzy(I'm just assuming random name here), poor Suzy, she was raped when she was a girl...,, gossip will move on. The girl will be clueless at the beginning and then she will get it. THIS is the real tragedy. She will have to suffer in the future while all this could have been avoided!

Everything thanks to fucking dude who will be now propably eating his dinners on tax payer's check in prison. I hope they will fucking rape him hard there for what he did because it was fucking sick. And even after all that alot of people are taking his side on this. I mean fucking come on?!

In the end girl will need as much psychiatric help as people will make her think she needs...

 

[SocialNumb]

I've been trying to say this^ Instead I've been asking if it's possible for her to remember. I don't think so but I don't know 100% for sure.

 

[Limak]

Assuming that the boy was ,,just,, touching her in the wrong way with no ding dong involved there's no fucking way she will remember anything. 3 years old doesnt see the diffrence between ,,bad,, and ,,good,, touch yet. That day will just pass for her as every other, like those, when father was holding her, mother was holding her, her siblings or family friends were playing with her(in the not-sicko way) you get the picture. This is just it, there's no way she can tell the diffrence yet.

As I said, she will need as much help as people will make her think she needs, and that's about it. If not fucked up father of the boy there would be no fucking case whatsoever, it would just disapear in the air(and memory of the boy and his parents).

 

[STINNETT]

Maybe the father was a Christian. If that were the case, then he has biblical justification for murdering his son. (Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
He probably should have asked the elders of the city to join him and done it with stones, but bullets are just more practical these days.

 

[Limak]

Maybe the father was a Christian. If that were the case, then he has biblical justification for murdering his son. (Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
He probably should have asked the elders of the city to join him and done it with stones, but bullets are just more practical these days.

Glad it's not so easy to get a gun in my country, it's full of those retarded christian village devotees who can't think for themselves, basically the priest is controling their thoughts and lives.

 

[roy22341]

If fuckers like those who try to justify father's action will keep reminding her what happened, then yes, she will. I'm quite sure this happened only once(again based on son's actions, he tried something once, understood it was an abomination and was begging for forgiveness). I'm also quite fucking sure on the next day the girl forgot what the fuck was happening then, her only thoughts would be ,,MOMMY MOMMY MMMM CANDIES,, not ,,Oh no, I was raped, I will have trauma for the rest of my life.,,
Imagine her 20 years later, assume this shit with father killing his son didn't happen, people would just forget about it, everything would be kept between the boy, father and mother, no one would remind anyone about it, it happened, was fucked up, the kid who did that took his ass spanking with solid belt, life goes on. She would simply not remember what the fuck she was doing or what happened when she was 3 years old, be serious, who the fuck would?! She just fucking learned how to walk and speak, do you think she fucking understood what that meant when boy was touching her? NOTE touching, again repeating for 100th time there was no proven vaginal intrusion. That means he was TOUCHING HER and that's it. THE 3 YEARS FUCKING OLD GIRL WON'T SEE THE DIFFRENCE YET.
But now imagine her 20 years later, after the shit that actually happened: ,,Oh looks it's Suzy(I'm just assuming random name here), poor Suzy, she was raped when she was a girl...,, gossip will move on. The girl will be clueless at the beginning and then she will get it. THIS is the real tragedy. She will have to suffer in the future while all this could have been avoided!

Sorry, didn't realize you were an expert on the psychological ramifications of being sexually abused as a child. You're right - lets simply ignore it and hope that nothing bad comes of it. You're implying that all the psychological trauma that results from this can simply be avoided by not telling her what happened and not treating it? That has to be a joke. And I don't see how there has to be vaginal intrusion for this to be considered wrong? (Unless I'm just misreading you're statement which I hope I am).

The fact is we don't know if this was a one time thing or a repeat offense. But I think it is only right to make sure that this child gets the right help - not simply ignoring the problem and hoping it goes away. That's why people who are sexually abused as children tend to grow up to be child molesters.

I'm not defending the father moreso than I am the son or the son moreso than the father. The whole situation is fucked up and I hope that most of us can at least agree that the real victim here is the little girl.

 

[roy22341]

I've been trying to say this^ Instead I've been asking if it's possible for her to remember. I don't think so but I don't know 100% for sure.

Just found an article abstract from a paper from a Canadian hospital:

"This study examined the initial effects of sexual abuse on 70 girls aged 3 to 5 years. They were compared to a control group of 42 nonabused nonclinical girls matched for age. Of the 70 girls in the abused group, the 42 who had experienced intrafamilial abuse were also compared to the 28 who had experienced extrafamilial abuse. Evaluation of effects was based on maternal reports and very importantly, given this young age group, on direct observation. Children from both abuse groups displayed more evidence of distress on all measures. In particular, more sexual behaviors and more internalizing problem behaviors were reported and observed. Girls who were abused by a member of their family demonstrated some elevations in symptomatology, but generally there was not a significant difference between the two abuse groups. "

I don't have the whole article unfortunately because its not free, but if you're interested:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...serid=10&md5=24f5b7f16d38f776f34cd4d7141270d3

I'm not pretending to be an expert in any way, but I have a feeling that simply ignoring this problem and hoping she "forgets" is not the correct course of action.

 

[SocialNumb]

I have no doubt that repeated abuse will be harmful or one time vaginal intercourse. (for many reasons, physically and mentally) I don't know to what extent this 15 old kid abused the little girl, maybe I'm being hopeful in thinking the boy may have just touched her. IDK man, the whole thing is so fucked up.

Thanks for the link man. Did help some.

This reminds me of the "prophet" Mohammed.

I also couldn't vote. I just hope the 3 year old is ok.

 

[Limak]

roy22341:

She will most likely never forget if people will keep reminding her about it in the future. Do you remember what you were doing when u was 3? Cause I don't. Did you understand word rape, diffrence between bad and good touch(I assume the boy did that only once) at your 3s?

People jumping over the girl for the rest of her life and forcing her to think she really needs help will just do worse. She wouldnt remember it, now she will.

But then again all my posts are with me assuming he did that only once(not continuosly over days/weeks/etc).

(Unless I'm just misreading you're statement which I hope I am).

Yeah, you are misreading it. I never stated if it wasnt wrong, it is of course. But what matters now is what she will remember. Would she remember someone just touching her one time in a wrong way back then when she was 3? Not likely. Vaginal intrusion would leave physical mark tho, both are terribly wrong, but the worst case didnt happen.

You could compare this to situation of many, many cripples out there. Most of them like to live normal lives, without people treating them like they can't do shit themselves cause of them being cripples. But people keep reminding them.

Same will go for the girl, she will feel as much as a victim as much people will make one out of her.

Anyway I wont go any deeper into this topic if she needs long term help or not, those were just my sidethoughts and opinions. My main problem is with people who justify what father did.

 

[colonel kurtz]

well, this thread hasn't done fuck-all to resolve the issue of who's in the "right" on this one

...but it's done a great job of revealing who the dipshits are on this forum. keep up the good work, chaps!