Why do drummers feel the need to tap the hihats before a band begins to rock?

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Michael TEOF

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That's one of the most annoying parts of a live show. There's this gorgeous piano or vocal or epic symphonic action happening and then all of a sudden the drummer hits the hi hats four times, completely killing all suspense. Because you know the second he hits his hihats four times... (tat tat tat tat...) the guitars, drums and bass are about to explode into a power chord orgasm. Maybe some people are just more a fan of that lameness than me.

During sex, does anyone here honestly say "here it comes baby!... ohhh yeah" right before the climax? Prog Power music wasn't meant to be a cheap porno.

I say just like in those Miller commercials, we should come up with our own type of Man Law outlawing lame cliches like the hihat tap before a rocking section. If anyone else has more free time, feel free to come up with such a post.

The Michael
 
thats kinda what I figured it to be. I've tuned it out, at this point, honestly.

During sex, does anyone here honestly say "here it comes baby!... ohhh yeah" right before the climax?

Only if it's been requested to NOT squirt in the mouth.
 
yep thats the count down for the rest of the band to know when to start. The reason why its the drummer most of the time giving the 4 count is because they are the time keepers of the song. To be done with the lights would require either the drummer to have some form of trigger system for the lights or a light tech that knows the songs as good as anyone in the band.
 
it works. what they can do, that some bands are doing, is cut the feed from the drum mics to the PA during those 4 hits, while keeping the feed to the monitors. so you see the drummer hit 4 times, you hear nothing, but the band does.
 
That's just one of the many "annoyances" you have to deal with when seeing a live show... how much suspense is there really if you have heard the songs before anyway?
If they didn't tap those 4 beats, I'm sure you'd be posting: "How come (my favorite band) is so sloppy live.. I mean, why can't they all start at the same time?!?" ;)
 
I never found the count-down beats irritating, rather something that "belongs" in a show.

Many (especailly symphonic) bands use backing tracks for orchestral parts and choruses, since their compositions are so complex and pompous that in a live situation they can't reproduce everything only with the instruments on stage. Aside the backing tracks there is a click-track which the drummer hears in his ear monitor and he then synchronizes the band with the backing track by beating the count-down on hi-hat.
 
ah, the fact that the answer to this question wasn't immediately obvious to you helps explain why we've had wildly divergent views of the same performances!

Occasionally you'll see a band show off by stopping in the middle of a song and then all come slamming back in together without a re-count. I'm thinking I've seen Meshuggah, or maybe Dream Theater, do this. Presumably they're all keeping the beat in their heads, and the longer the pause, the riskier it becomes. So something like that could probably be done with orchestral intros (pick a point, and start 12 counts after that), but most bands probably feel the risk of that is greater than the reward.

I like the idea of cutting the drums out of the PA, I suppose that's easier (and more "live") than putting the whole band on in-ear monitors with a click.

Neil
 
Yes it been said here, but it's the drummers job to set the pace, and he's just laying out the metronome so every comes in at the right time and right speed....
I personally like it myself. Because then I'm coming in mentally on beat too!
It's like every cool countdown! I mean would the ball droppin on Times Square be the same without the 5,4,3,2,1! arrrrrrrrr!!!! How akward would it be when you kiss the dame a half a second late!:lol:
 
All this talk of keeping the beat is nonsense. The drummers are actually doing YOU a favor. If you get bored during the gorgeous piano or vocal or epic symphonic action and quit paying attention, the sudden blast of volume from returning instruments may frighten you ... and you could jump and spill your beer. The drummers counting down to the return to volume helps you prepare and get a better grip. So the next time you see a drummer, tell him thanks for all those beers you have not spilled because of him!

Ken
 
It has never bothered me before. I'm indifferent to it, since it is a generic timing tool as opposed to being really a part of the song. With how a few people are, I'm almost surprised that no one threaten to not go to PP anymore if that happened again! :p

But to a certain extent, I do feel that some bands do take the standard approach, or their usual approach to things too often and don't try to get creative with elements of the music that are used as timing or transitional tools or to maintain a sound. For the intro hi-hat beat, aside from cutting it out on the PA, what about changing up the hi-hat beat? I'm a bass player and it wouldn't throw me off if a:tss-tss-taa tss taa tss (taa=closing or holding the hi-hat for the eliminating the sustained ring). In fact a drummer that I've played with a lot, has done far more complex than that for a timing intro and I'm definitely no great bass player. By doing this or something else (I'm no drummer, I'm sure that there are plenty of better ideas out there), you make that tool a creative part of the song.

Also, too many drummers use the snare for timing. It doesn't annoy me, but it is something that I've noticed a lot. Danny Carey from Tool, broke away from always doing this, by using it to accent.

Another thing was the over use of hitting the snare's rim in a very simple 1, 2 or 4 beats per measure pattern for a slow, mellow song. There seemed to be a lot of that in 80's music. I actually was annoyed with that for a while. :lol: Think of it, all those pieces, to even a simple, let alone complex drum kit, and so many drummers did that same thing. And if that is not enough, switch to a brush. Play some congas or tablas. There's plenty of solutions.

But enough with picking on the drummers. Edge from U2 used delay way too fucking much!

At some point in the 80's, a lot (certainly not all or most by any means) of bass player simplified down to mostly root, root-fifth, or root-fifth-octave bass lines. They did this after decades of great bassists playing melodic, grooving bass lines. Music should evolve, not devolve.

I could go on and on with other things that are uncreative or annoying about guitarists, bass players, etc...but people should take the attitude, if it isn't broke don't fix it, with something that should be creative. I'm also not for over playing either. Musicians should do what's best for the song. Although, I will admit to loving some self-indulgent guitar, bass and drum gods' work as well as progressive and complex/technical bands! But, in some cases, the point of a song isn't always to convey to a message or craft a great song, but to showcase 1 or more musicians talent/technical ability. I know that people have been very successful and have been well respected by playing conventionally, but thank God that some people take chances and experiment!
 
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