Would this Work? taken from the ozzfest thread

[nomisofsiman]

But, if we're comparing to Mayhem/Ozzfest, is the role of the lower-tier bands to actually draw more people in? My impression was that the point of the lower-tier bands was to pay a buy-on to the tour, to actually *help* make the whole thing financially feasible; if that's true, adding bands would actually make the ticket prices *less* expensive. The idea is that the lower-tier bands bankroll the tour in exchange for a chance at exposure.

Of course in the power metal world, the lower-tier bands/labels don't have any money to contribute, so this scheme really wouldn't work there.

(disclaimer: most of my knowledge of the Ozzfest finances comes from Bruce Dickinson rants, so should be taken with a large grain of salt.)

Neil

From everything I've heard that's correct in terms of bands paying to be on. It would help the price, but as you say the lower tier bands of this genre don't have the moolah to do that.

 

[Jibrille]

From everything I've heard that's correct in terms of bands paying to be on. It would help the price, but as you say the lower tier bands of this genre don't have the moolah to do that.

Hell, there isn't the 15-25k people who will attend each show to make a very high buy-in price anyway. Most smaller bands are already supporting their own tours and there's not a lot of sponsor money to offset costs.

 

[Saladbar]

The problem is these bands draw primarily from the same well. Blind Guardian, Nightwish and Iced Earth all play the Nokia when they come to NYC, which holds about 2,000. However, of that 2,000, it's the same 1,500 to 1,700 people showing up for all three shows. So your draw would only go up about 15% to 20%, for this ten band tour, but the cost for the promoter has gone up tenfold.

I think Zod hit the nail on the head with this one.
Most of the time I see the same people at most of the shows, if 5 of the high caliber ProgPower bands we're on the same bill it would only draw a few more people than if each of those bands played individual shows weeks apart.

 

[Metal_Camden]

It wouldn't be very awesome to everyone involved that lost a load of money putting it on

well if I had a discusting amount of money I would do it just to say i did

 

[Metal_Camden]

soooo now, what would be a good cross over into a different crowd?

 

[Diabolik]

Oh, and this thread reminded me of the "Evil Darkness Tour". That should be coming to an arena near me sometime soon, right?

Neil

I think we are the only 2 how remember that mess. I loved going to thier forum to read the postings on how it was going to hit all these arena's and stuff. At the Leave's Eyes / Atrocity / Novembers Doom / Macabre / Kataklysm / and like 5 hardcore bands....they were passing out flyers like crazy for it. Never happened. It would have been a disaster in the making. I was stunned bands even signed on for it to begin with.

 

[4acidbath4]

A full blown Prog/Power tour would fail for a simply reason. NOT POPULAR ENOUGH!!!!NO MONEY TO BE MADE!!!PERIOD!!!!

Exclusive show=bring the faithful and only the faithful

You could try mixing in some good prog or power to a festival, look at europe. Evem then the faithful would complain about other genre's invading the space. Such a shame.

 

[War Ensemble]

I think we are the only 2 how remember that mess. I loved going to thier forum to read the postings on how it was going to hit all these arena's and stuff. At the Leave's Eyes / Atrocity / Novembers Doom / Macabre / Kataklysm / and like 5 hardcore bands....they were passing out flyers like crazy for it. Never happened. It would have been a disaster in the making. I was stunned bands even signed on for it to begin with.

I also enjoyed looking at their tour dates and seeing large arenas listed. I had a friend who worked at one that was listed. They checked and no one involved in scheduling the arena had any knowledge of the Evil Darkness tour.

Didn't they also say they had Nightwish signed up for the tour?

 

[Diabolik]

I also enjoyed looking at their tour dates and seeing large arenas listed. I had a friend who worked at one that was listed. They checked and no one involved in scheduling the arena had any knowledge of the Evil Darkness tour.

Didn't they also say they had Nightwish signed up for the tour?

No, they "officially had Leave's Eyes, Ellis, Lullacry, Reel Firction, and rumors of Cradle of Filth and a few others.

Talk about losing so much money....he was saying that he had the Allstate Arena booked for the Chicago date. Serioulsy??? Iron Maiden didnt even sell it out....how is Leaves Eyes and Ellis going to then? Good intentions but not well thought through. I emailed him back and fourth while this was going on and posted on the forum and he seemed clueless about everything....appearantly he was a trust fund kid and worked at a radio station so he thought he knew the business. The best part is that he thought since each band had like 50,000 myspace freinds that they would draw that much. He went by the handle "evilpenguin" on lots of forums....I think he may even post here once in a while if it is the same guy.

 

[Pellaz]

I think we are the only 2 how remember that mess.

Nope. The moment I heard Leaves Eyes were playing PP I thought "Aha, they're playing Glenn's fest before playing Christopher Clai's....err.......event."

No, they "officially had Leave's Eyes, Ellis, Lullacry, Reel Firction, and rumors of Cradle of Filth and a few others.

Talk about losing so much money....he was saying that he had the Allstate Arena booked for the Chicago date. Serioulsy??? Iron Maiden didnt even sell it out....how is Leaves Eyes and Ellis going to then? Good intentions but not well thought through. I emailed him back and fourth while this was going on and posted on the forum and he seemed clueless about everything....appearantly he was a trust fund kid and worked at a radio station so he thought he knew the business. The best part is that he thought since each band had like 50,000 myspace freinds that they would draw that much. He went by the handle "evilpenguin" on lots of forums....I think he may even post here once in a while if it is the same guy.

Hmmm, as I hazily recall, EvilPenguin (at least here) was a different -- and female -- individual.

I met Chris Clai. Arranged a fan-table for him at Dragon*Con one year. (And Glenn briefly laid eyes upon him.)
Odd chap. Completely delusional about that tour, of course.