wow how stupid is this
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Liverslapper
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Ketchup, the silent killer, I guess it's taking out
French children in massive numbers, god forbid should kids choose what kind of sauce they put on their FRENCH fries
French children in massive numbers, god forbid should kids choose what kind of sauce they put on their FRENCH fries
Enemy242
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fuck yeah amurikuh, take that ya frogs. i like that they think they can use law to regulate culture, because if there's one thing that will make kids want to appreciate french food and culture, it's oppressing their choices and forcing them to do something they don't want to. i know i respond to the wishes of others only when they take away everything else and force me to act in their ways. trying to promote it in other ways while allowing them to still choose what they want so they can appreciate their culture as well as have freedom would totally never work.
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Their not trying to regulate culture. The government's job is to give the kids some freaking food in school. And either they can give 'em red sugar in bottles, called "ketchup", or they can give 'em healthy stuff, and while we're there, let's be it french food, so they learn something about food and their culture. Great thing.
I absolutely can see nothing stupid there.
Americans
Their not trying to regulate culture. The government's job is to give the kids some freaking food in school. And either they can give 'em red sugar in bottles, called "ketchup", or they can give 'em healthy stuff, and while we're there, let's be it french food, so they learn something about food and their culture. Great thing.
I absolutely can see nothing stupid there.
hmmm maybe they should only be allowed government approved culturally correct sauces, ok, give them bearnaise sauce to dip their french fries in, culture correct and made with clarified butter and egg yolks, so much healthier than ketchup ,WAIT perhaps deep fried potatoes are the unhealthy thing NOT the frigging ketchup that's not part of their culture...free will is healthy.. too bad it's not a condiment.
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If kids don't have regulation in some way, what's teaching them to make the right choices in the future? There's a fine line here. There's a certain age where kids should be given a chance to start making their own choices, but without influence before that, they'll do as their peers do, which in most cases isn't something good for them in the first place.
My mother has been running a middle-school cafeteria for years, and the food they have is absolutely disturbing. They justify what they sell by saying they offer these kids "healthy food" (which isn't anything more than burgers and hotdogs and pizza with white bread and ketchup, a couple salads which I've never seen a kid buy, and sandwiches laden with mayonaise) but when I go to visit, 90% of the kids are buying chips, pop, french fries, pizza... things only going to add to the obesity and bad choices.
Enemy242
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Wow haha, I thought my use of amurikuh and frogs were a dead giveaway that I wasn't being serious, but I guess I under estimated the serious squad. If you really want to debate this ridiculousness then ok:
It's not an issue of health they're attacking, it's the degradation of their culture in kids eating habits. If people want to preserve culture fine, but don't legislate it and force it down people's throats. Instead offer more options, programs to involve parents who wish in activities to help promote culture in the home, but taking away their choices to force them to enjoy french food won't do shit. All it'll do is make the kids resent the food and the lack of what they enjoyed before, not magically make them love food that they were masking with condiments before.
It's blatant xenophobia, and honestly is ridiculous as hell. Something like culture and food should be preserved via families, not mandates. People should be able to make choices, and kids are still people. They shouldn't be allowed free reign over everything no, but something like what they want for lunch out of what is offered via the school isn't a big deal. If this is a health issue then fine, frame it in that light and overhaul your school menu, I doubt all the french foods are magically bastions of health.
If you want to preserve culture, offer more options, develop programs for parents that wish to get involved with and involve their kids in (parents pass down recipes, not bureaucrats). If you want to overhaul the nutrition of the meals, make that the issue, make that the claim and look at everything, not just one aspect unrelated. Not all French condiments are healthy, desert is most likely unhealthy; if they're trying to do that they're doing a shit job, and if they're being xenophobic they're doing a great job at that too.
It's not an issue of health they're attacking, it's the degradation of their culture in kids eating habits. If people want to preserve culture fine, but don't legislate it and force it down people's throats. Instead offer more options, programs to involve parents who wish in activities to help promote culture in the home, but taking away their choices to force them to enjoy french food won't do shit. All it'll do is make the kids resent the food and the lack of what they enjoyed before, not magically make them love food that they were masking with condiments before.
It's blatant xenophobia, and honestly is ridiculous as hell. Something like culture and food should be preserved via families, not mandates. People should be able to make choices, and kids are still people. They shouldn't be allowed free reign over everything no, but something like what they want for lunch out of what is offered via the school isn't a big deal. If this is a health issue then fine, frame it in that light and overhaul your school menu, I doubt all the french foods are magically bastions of health.
If you want to preserve culture, offer more options, develop programs for parents that wish to get involved with and involve their kids in (parents pass down recipes, not bureaucrats). If you want to overhaul the nutrition of the meals, make that the issue, make that the claim and look at everything, not just one aspect unrelated. Not all French condiments are healthy, desert is most likely unhealthy; if they're trying to do that they're doing a shit job, and if they're being xenophobic they're doing a great job at that too.
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Haha I got it right away and then super facepalmed when I read Mr. Sister's reply. So don't worry, it wasn't lost on some (actually probably most) of us.
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I'm sure this is more than just a fear of cultural disintegration. Like I said in my last post, this seems to be overblown by the media a bit. The health concerns of school children is all over the world. The French seem to just be doing their best to integrate their culture in their foods while doing it in a healthy way. They say Dessert, but we don't what that Dessert is. In North America the problem is money making and branding. They have the dictation over the children in schools, and they're ultimately influencing them to purchase their shit food so that they can have them purchase that shit food in the future. We are all products of it, and they're just grooming the next wave of people for it.
Enemy242
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If it's something else then they should frame it that way, but either way they're stupid as shit. Again, if it's an issue of culture then they're doing it all wrong, and if it's an issue of health then they're doing it wrong. taking out ketchup and mayo except on certain foods is not going to do much in regards to health. the fact that it's certain foods makes it even more glaringly obvious that it's not fully a health issue as if that were the case they'd ban it all together instead of making it seem like they're pissed that kids are putting ketchup on their age old french foods.
I'm a fairly health conscious person and if they want to improve the health in school menus I'm all for it, but this isn't it. Don't try to mandate culture, and if you're going to improve the health of students in schools don't do it in a bullshit way like limiting ketchup and mayo, but instead look at all your foods, find healthier alternatives that kids still want and employ it in a way that works for everyone. Healthy foods aren't all disgusting, but if you take away pizza, burgers, ketchup and mayo and throw a salad at kids saying HERE WE KNOW WHAT'S GOOD FOR YOU, VIVA LE FRANCE, you're not going to convince them of dick or make them change their eating patterns. It's the same thing with weight loss, you can throw diets and salads at fat people but they're not going to lose weight for because the millionth person has said they eat too much.
When it comes down to it the reason I think this is so ridiculous and the reason I was joking, is the fact that it is so unbelievably short sighted and ineffective no matter how you look at it. If you're trying to legally force kids to appreciate french culture it's not going to work, if your idea of improving health in school lunches is limiting condiments then you're either stupid or think you can add a drop of fresh water to desalinize the ocean. Whatever policy they're trying to implement is stupid, shortsighted, oppressive, laughable and completely misguided. People wouldn't be laughing at it if they were proposing real programs to help bring french culture back into the spotlight or if they were getting a team of nutritionists and psychologists to look at the school menu, look at the behavior of children, and find a way to make healthy eating an enjoyable part of their lifestyle. culture change and worldwide dietary trends aren't going to be taken down by banning heinz.
I'm a fairly health conscious person and if they want to improve the health in school menus I'm all for it, but this isn't it. Don't try to mandate culture, and if you're going to improve the health of students in schools don't do it in a bullshit way like limiting ketchup and mayo, but instead look at all your foods, find healthier alternatives that kids still want and employ it in a way that works for everyone. Healthy foods aren't all disgusting, but if you take away pizza, burgers, ketchup and mayo and throw a salad at kids saying HERE WE KNOW WHAT'S GOOD FOR YOU, VIVA LE FRANCE, you're not going to convince them of dick or make them change their eating patterns. It's the same thing with weight loss, you can throw diets and salads at fat people but they're not going to lose weight for because the millionth person has said they eat too much.
When it comes down to it the reason I think this is so ridiculous and the reason I was joking, is the fact that it is so unbelievably short sighted and ineffective no matter how you look at it. If you're trying to legally force kids to appreciate french culture it's not going to work, if your idea of improving health in school lunches is limiting condiments then you're either stupid or think you can add a drop of fresh water to desalinize the ocean. Whatever policy they're trying to implement is stupid, shortsighted, oppressive, laughable and completely misguided. People wouldn't be laughing at it if they were proposing real programs to help bring french culture back into the spotlight or if they were getting a team of nutritionists and psychologists to look at the school menu, look at the behavior of children, and find a way to make healthy eating an enjoyable part of their lifestyle. culture change and worldwide dietary trends aren't going to be taken down by banning heinz.
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Your rant is quite shortsighted. We really have no idea how true this article is. In the matter of nutrition, only of the last few decades has there been any research into how it affects our lives. Sure this article really doesn't explain much more than them adjusting school children's lunches and implementing culture aspects. This is at least a step in a right direction. It's better than the direction that North America and other parts of the world have done. Or lack there of. Like I said, big brands are what dictate what the kids eat nowadays. Give it to the French to start pushing away corporate America. Granted probably not in the most efficient way, but at least trying to give kids real meals, that are inspired by their culture.
Altitudes
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I believe government shouldn't tell us what to do, and that they really shouldn't regulate people's lives. I like freedom. And fries. And ketchup. Sometimes.
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Just saying, in a world of shitty food and dipping sauces, ketchup is a lesser evil in the fight. The Belgians suck down mayonnaise with their fried potatoes, and yet no one worries about regulations there.
Liverslapper
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You mean FREEDOM fries, you anti-American, college educated, elitist liberal!!!
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