[youtube] akercocke interviewed by irish christians

[Gordy_gorestained]

Well, assuming for a second God did exist, it'd be like not beleiving in gravity, no matter what you think it'd still exist. So in the end it doesn't really matter what you think.


And agnostics are just atheists without balls.

 

[Cythraul]

And agnostics are just atheists without balls.

No they're not. They're people who acknowledge the epistemic limitations and fallibility of human beings.

 

[Gordy_gorestained]

Yes, we are just atheists without balls.

Why, thank you for agreeing.

 

[Cythraul]

Why, thank you for agreeing.

And thank YOU for giving such a great rebuttal.

 

[Gordy_gorestained]

It's a specialty of mine.

 

[Gordy_gorestained]

It also sucks that my moms' side of the family are all a bunch of Jesus freaks.

 

[WNxScythe]

That's my understanding of it, which is why Satanism makes absolutely no fucking sense at all to me. I notice that modern Satanism tends to define their principles not so much in terms of 'anti-Christianity' but rather 'pro-individuality' - in which case, they might as well drop the whole "Satan" label, because they're just making themselves look ridiculous. Of course, Satanism wouldn't be 'cool' if it didn't have Satan in it.

Yeah... it seems rather pointless to attach the "Satan" label to an ideology that seems to more or less be individualistic hedonism. I'm sure there ARE actually some people out there who are actively worshipping Satan as a living being (real witches and such), but these metal bands (and lots of people on this board) saying they're satanists need to get over themselves and just admit they're just hedonists with a humanistic bent.

 

[zabu of nΩd]

Well, assuming for a second God did exist, it'd be like not beleiving in gravity, no matter what you think it'd still exist. So in the end it doesn't really matter what you think.

Actually, if the Christian God existed, we'd all be going to Hell, thus making quite a fucking difference whether we believed in him or not, so I'm not sure where you're going with this...

 

[Vossyrus]

The argument "well you can't prove there isn't a god" is about as valid as saying "well you can't prove that I can't fly to the moon and back is less than five seconds." If anything, the onus is on them to prove otherwise.

 

[zabu of nΩd]

The argument "well you can't prove there isn't a god" is about as valid as saying "well you can't prove that I can't fly to the moon and back is less than five seconds." If anything, the onus is on them to prove otherwise.

Well, of course Christianity has a hell of a lot of assumptions to deal with (none of which can be dealt with), but that doesn't necessarily validate atheism. Atheists still have 'faith' in there being no god at all. Which is kind of ironic, really...

 

[Vossyrus]

Well, of course Christianity has a hell of a lot of assumptions to deal with (none of which can be dealt with), but that doesn't necessarily validate atheism. Atheists still have 'faith' in there being no god at all. Which is kind of ironic, really...

Well I am completely 100% athiest. I wouldn't exactly call it "faith" since yes that would make it somewhat ironic depending on definition, and of course its misleading.

 

[zabu of nΩd]

Well I am completely 100% athiest. I wouldn't exactly call it "faith" since yes that would make it somewhat ironic depending on definition, and of course its misleading.

Well, if it's not faith, then you must have some justification for believing that there could not possibly be a god. I don't see what that justification would be, though.

 

[skeptik]

Logic.

 

[Pessimism]

^.

Back that with a scientific mindset, and one usually finds that there is really no evidence to be found in show any traces of the existence of some supernatural creator...besides the obvious (and fallacious) "look around you! God made all this!".

Consider it a form of "active non-participation"

 

[Mort Divine]

To play Devil's Advocate, there however is no evidence that there isn't a divine creator.

 

[skeptik]

There's no evidence that there isn't a flying dick circling the globe at the moment either.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

 

[unknown]

There's no evidence that there isn't a flying dick circling the globe at the moment either.

Ah, the good ol Russell's Dick Theory

 

[cookiecutter]

To play Devil's Advocate, there however is no evidence that there isn't a divine creator.

This is the worst argument of all time. As Necuratul and Ars Diavoli have pointed out, you can't make a claim and then say "You can't disprove it". That's utterly illogical.

 

[skeptik]

This doesn't really need to get heated, let's keep in mind. I was just playing Devil's Flying Cock myself.