003 Family

wow that is pathetic, how many years for an upgrade to the 002? and all they add is a word clock and headphone outs? i'd expect there to be maybe a total of 8 preamps and more automation features on the non-rack version. and at least some type of expansion function...
 
zmetallica said:
wow that is pathetic, how many years for an upgrade to the 002? and all they add is a word clock and headphone outs? i'd expect there to be maybe a total of 8 preamps and more automation features on the non-rack version. and at least some type of expansion function...
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They will never have a unit with 8 preamps, they like to keep their HD customers in a whole different league then the LE ones.
 
I have to agree that this upgrade is a big disappointment. On the other hand, as DSS3 already mentioned, Digidesign has created an opportunity for people to pick up an 002 for cheap. Other than people concerned with being up to date in their Pro Tools versions at all times (which I assume would be mostly HD users), I can't imagine that a majority of people would opt for the twice as expensive 003, when they can get basically the exact same thing on an 002.
 
Aaron Smith said:
I have to agree that this upgrade is a big disappointment. On the other hand, as DSS3 already mentioned, Digidesign has created an opportunity for people to pick up an 002 for cheap. Other than people concerned with being up to date in their Pro Tools versions at all times (which I assume would be mostly HD users), I can't imagine that a majority of people would opt for the twice as expensive 003, when they can get basically the exact same thing on an 002.
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except for the fact that the 002 could benefit from a good clock.

i am very disappointed with the 003. i was hoping for alot more and i was willing to pay for it. hopefully they will come out with something like a 003 pro which will have more features. hello fireface or saffire pro26.
 
that is a lame upgrade.
i think my 002 will stay right where it is
bring on the adc
lets flame the digi boards
lol
 
Just to play devils advocate, what if it sounds way better?
The 003 are retail priced identically to 002's so....

The apogee ensemble's feature list is almost identical to the 002r and doesn't come w/ software but I think that the benefits of apogee converters are clear.
Obviously I've never heard the 003 but if it actually sounds better than the 002 it could be worth it. God knows the 002 sounds better than the 001.

That said those 'mushroom' knobs are aweful.:Puke:
 
deathtotaliban said:
They will never have a unit with 8 preamps, they like to keep their HD customers in a whole different league then the LE ones.
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HD = 192khz + hardware dedication. nough said. that alone places it in another plane. LE should focus more on software dedication and have some track limitations, HD will have none of this. its fair enough. then again the competition (nuendo, DP, etc) always goes up to 192khz and has unlimited tracks. but I don't find the lack of 192khz that big of a deal as a pro studio will need a lot of cash to take advantage of this with just mics alone, they should be able to afford the hardware dedication. but yeah... for the home project studio they should give middle ground to users (like me) who want to record drums or something. Sure I could go out and buy a preamp with adat out, but I've experienced problems with that and that means I'm not buying a digi product.
 
DSS3 said:
Yeah, but look at the discount they give you for giving them (to keep) your gear/software.


For cheaper, you can just sell your shit and BUY the thing outright! :lol:
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That's very true, but it's typical of crossgrades. For example MOTU will give you $100 off of DP5 if you give them your copy of logic ($1000). Not really a fair trade but perhaps it provides some incentive to those on the fence.
 
egan. said:
That's very true, but it's typical of crossgrades. For example MOTU will give you $100 off of DP5 if you give them your copy of logic ($1000). Not really a fair trade but perhaps it provides some incentive to those on the fence.
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Hmm... Steinberg gave me $200 off Cubase 4 for scanning my USB Key, Install disk, and registration card from Logic.

As usual, Steinberg is insane. :lol:
 
FYI. From the DUC.
"Hi All,

Sorry for this relatively slow response post to what is clearly a headline issue for many DUC citizens – the thread arrived ahead of the actual launch, and I didn’t want to post until after we’d got the official news up on our own website, and given it time to propagate around the world a little.

As several posters have concluded, our intention with the 003 family was to provide a refresh of an already successful product. This is a smaller scale effort than some of the projects we do at Digidesign, and the decision to approach it this way limited our freedom to innovate with features, or change the price.

Why would Digidesign choose to just do a refresh? It’s certainly not our first preference: we’ve come into our current position in the creative world of audio on a foundation of innovation. We’re wired that way still. Even a relatively large company like Digi still has to make tough trade-offs over what to spend time on however, and since the 002’s continue to fit the bill for many users, we decided to go with a refresh. This left us free to pursue some other projects we’d long wanted to do, like the Mbox2 Pro, Mbox Mini, the Profile live console, a lot of Pro Tools feature development, and a bunch of other things I can’t talk about yet.

Despite the constraints of doing a “refresh only” project, we still worked at making improvements to every aspect of the design that we could.

The I/O complement had to remain the same, so the differences in that area are relatively few. The biggest change is in audio quality. The mic pres were completely re-designed, and we upgraded their dynamic range by almost 6dB, and their distortion performance by almost an order of magnitude from 0.004% to 0.0007% (note the three zero’s after the period.)

We found several ways to enhance the 002 control surface as we re-worked it for 003: it now includes dedicated automation controls, and you can use the meters to provide an auto mode status display. The 2-line display provides much better visual feedback for all functions, allowing you to see 6-character channel names at the same time as parameter value readouts. With a jog/shuttle wheel and an external clock input, the product is more at home than before in post production environments. And the updated MIDI mapping mode will make controlling other MIDI apps and devices much more fluid for music producers.

Despite these changes, I can see how this intro is disappointing to existing 002 owners who were looking to upgrade to a product that would take them to the next level. We don’t mean to limit anyone’s options, and clearly the 003 family is not intended to serve that “step-up” purpose – it’s for new users. We understand the desire, though: we are hard at work on products which will allow people to move beyond today’s LE family (whaaaat! like I said, I can’t talk about that stuff!)

I hope this post helps with understanding our moves (I know it won’t help much with the disappointment) and that we are thinking along the same lines as many of you. Despite some of the harsher comments, I’m glad we have such a passionate and engaged customer base – it makes the communication open and easy.

One last note: some of the posters on this thread were concerned that 002 support will be going away with Vista. As we state elsewhere on our website, we’re beavering away at Vista support right now, and I’m glad to confirm that 002 will be fully supported in the forthcoming Vista-compatible release of Pro Tools.

- David

Senior Director, Product Marketing
Digidesign
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