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A BLIND SHOOTOUT THAT WILL STUN YOU!
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amarshism
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I noticed a massive difference in my rig when I changed out all my planet waves leads for $500 worth of George Ls cables and speaker leads. Even my gf could hear a difference while I blind a/b'd her. Mind you I have alot of patching and whatnot so I'm sure the cumulative effect stacked up. I choose to disregard what most tech heads say on this matter as I believe I can hear a qualitative difference. I can only imagine the difference it would make increasing the quality of the signal path in some guys studios when you're in a treated environment with ideal monitoring. I was just in a lounge room with a boogie 4x12.
drope934
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Changed the cable between guitar and DIbox?Really don't know..
Did I win something for guessing it right?
egan.
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Some devil's advocate questions:
The lava was new?
What about the monster?
Why not do one with the monster+good XLR's?
I agree with the others that I'd like to hear other guitar cables as well.
I don't distrust the results but the difference between a new guitar cable and one that's been stepped on and rolled over with a chair 1000 times is substancial.
Also, I think a lot of guys here are not understanding that the differences created by guitar cables of different capacitances are more substancial than differences in mic and balanced line level situations and very different from power and speaker cable.
The lava was new?
What about the monster?
Why not do one with the monster+good XLR's?
I agree with the others that I'd like to hear other guitar cables as well.
I don't distrust the results but the difference between a new guitar cable and one that's been stepped on and rolled over with a chair 1000 times is substancial.
Also, I think a lot of guys here are not understanding that the differences created by guitar cables of different capacitances are more substancial than differences in mic and balanced line level situations and very different from power and speaker cable.
you mean:"Well then plug a no-name 8 inch cable between your guitar and your DI and shit a brick."
I didn't know how to respond to it because I was unsure how the comment was meant
concerning my test, yes it was a DI track from an active pickup.
I only have a passive strat here at the moment. let's see how two cables compare with it.
update: ok well, clearly Im doing something wrong.
they nulled again?
maybe I didn't put enough thought into designing a proper signal chain for the test...
first, I recorded one chord with my strat straight into my babyface for which I used guitar cable A.
then I played back that signal in reaper and re-recorded through my babyface (headphone out -> radial JDI line input -> XLR out of JDI into interface again)
for the first pass I used cable A between headphone out and JDI line in and recorded that signal. then I switched cable A for B and repeated.
both signals nulled.
now, I think I might not have used the proper signal chain for the test but that's all I could come up with at that moment.
"jipchen", I hope that also answers your question but take my result with a grain of salt.
~BURNY~
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The comment about me being ignored wasn't aimed at you plus I was half joking... Sorry if I wasn't clear.
Now about the pickups, like Lolzgreg said, the diffrence with active pu should theoretically be smaller hence my question.
jipchen
ForesterStudio
After Greg's last comment I think he recorded the riff with cable A, then switched the cable and recorded the riff again (through cable B).
At least that's how I understood what he said
So you don't have to "re-record" the signal through the different cable but record the take through different cables in the beginning. Obviously the playing will be a bit different but that's where you can edit and try to play as close as possible.
Sorry, short german part incoming:
Bloß weil solche kleinen Unterschiede auf Englisch manchmal missverständlich sind: So wie ich das sehe hat er schlicht den Part zweimal gespielt und aufgenommen. Beim ersten Mal eben mit Kabel A und dann mit Kabel B (und C). Das wieder-aufnehmen wie du es gemacht hast ist zwar auch interessant (hätte da dann auch Unterschiede erwartet) aber - glaube ich - nicht wie Greg den Test gemacht hat.
Egan,
Monster is about a year old; I'm the first owner and never abused them.
I didn't really have time to do monster+good xlrs; you heard the difference between the instrument cables, and it's pretty drastic even with the old XLRs. IMHO, the sound further improved with the new XLRs, and that's all I care about.
After Greg's last comment I think he recorded the riff with cable A, then switched the cable and recorded the riff again (through cable B).
At least that's how I understood what he said
So you don't have to "re-record" the signal through the different cable but record the take through different cables in the beginning. Obviously the playing will be a bit different but that's where you can edit and try to play as close as possible.
Sorry, short german part incoming:
Bloß weil solche kleinen Unterschiede auf Englisch manchmal missverständlich sind: So wie ich das sehe hat er schlicht den Part zweimal gespielt und aufgenommen. Beim ersten Mal eben mit Kabel A und dann mit Kabel B (und C). Das wieder-aufnehmen wie du es gemacht hast ist zwar auch interessant (hätte da dann auch Unterschiede erwartet) aber - glaube ich - nicht wie Greg den Test gemacht hat.
Your thoughts are correct.
I think you would hear a similar difference if you re-DI'd the DI with the better cable AGAIN through the Monster/Lava; one bad cable in the chain will screw shit up.
Did I win something for guessing it right?
You already have the win
OneDaySky
Clint
WOW thx for the learning curve Greg, im about to fork out some cash for Mogami cables but i now wonder what the difference would be between em and the lava cables?
Shootout numbet 2 maybe?
Shootout numbet 2 maybe?
Melb_shredder
Orpheus: Melodic Death
DUDE! exact same thing here man. Replaced my entire rack patching with George L's and noticed a HUGE difference. I think ermz will recall my immediate George L fanboism as soon as I mentioned it to him haha
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basically if you do the monster plus good xlr cables you'll not mislead people into thinking that monster cables suck
they sound good what the fuck is even happening in this thread
they sound good what the fuck is even happening in this thread
AeternusEternus
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here's a link to a zip file with a, b and c with no post processing, just tse x50 loaded up default settings with catharsis's awesometime 2off-pres8
it just comes down to preference and i prefer c yo
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1108548/amped.zip
edit: i'm not saying they're better, they're equally as good. his cables would probably be way easier to tame in a mix, but if you ask me, c's the only one with anything worth taming
it just comes down to preference and i prefer c yo
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1108548/amped.zip
edit: i'm not saying they're better, they're equally as good. his cables would probably be way easier to tame in a mix, but if you ask me, c's the only one with anything worth taming
Eduardo Apolonia
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Interesting test Greg.
I find it hard to believe that one cable would make such a difference. Not trying to say I'm doubting your test, it's that I have cables from several brands (George L, Zaolla, Monster 500, Monster 1000) and to be honest never heard a difference anywhere near you have there.
Time to test cables again and investigate those Lava cables.
Also on the subject, IMO the brightest sounds don't always sound the best when amplified, brightness can be the opposite of warm and a step closer to harsh, fizzy...
I did an interesting test some years ago with several HiFI speaker cables and the most expensive cables Nordost Vahalla (5000Eur a pair of cables) were the ones that sounded worst to me. The ones that sounded best on that system for me were the Monster cable because they were darker. The system components were kind of on the bright side. The Nordost cables and other brands that used silver conduit made the system even worst.
This is all in small amounts, nothing like night and day differences.
Not like differences that most HiFi enthusiasts ear when they talk about different power cables
I find it hard to believe that one cable would make such a difference. Not trying to say I'm doubting your test, it's that I have cables from several brands (George L, Zaolla, Monster 500, Monster 1000) and to be honest never heard a difference anywhere near you have there.
Time to test cables again and investigate those Lava cables.
Also on the subject, IMO the brightest sounds don't always sound the best when amplified, brightness can be the opposite of warm and a step closer to harsh, fizzy...
I did an interesting test some years ago with several HiFI speaker cables and the most expensive cables Nordost Vahalla (5000Eur a pair of cables
) were the ones that sounded worst to me. The ones that sounded best on that system for me were the Monster cable because they were darker. The system components were kind of on the bright side. The Nordost cables and other brands that used silver conduit made the system even worst.This is all in small amounts, nothing like night and day differences.
Not like differences that most HiFi enthusiasts ear when they talk about different power cables
LeSedna
Mat or Mateo
I bought Proco cables years ago because of a similar shootout on a guitar site. I could hear the difference between noname or cheap jacks and my proco ones.
Today I would maybe not buy these ones, maybe some other options would be better especially since back in that day I wasn't even in production at all. But I don't regret them, they are built like a tank, they are guaranteed for life, and still are exactly like brand new after all those years.
Today I would maybe not buy these ones, maybe some other options would be better especially since back in that day I wasn't even in production at all. But I don't regret them, they are built like a tank, they are guaranteed for life, and still are exactly like brand new after all those years.
C_F_H_13
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Wow man, that is crazy.
I have always advocated that cables don't make any difference, but this isn't just a little difference...it's alot.
I'm on ipod ear buds and the difference between A and C is ridiculous. Its almost too much difference to me, to be true. But as someone else said, I'm not calling your test into question, I'm just really shocked!
I have always advocated that cables don't make any difference, but this isn't just a little difference...it's alot.
I'm on ipod ear buds and the difference between A and C is ridiculous. Its almost too much difference to me, to be true. But as someone else said, I'm not calling your test into question, I'm just really shocked!
Interesting test Greg.
I find it hard to believe that one cable would make such a difference. Not trying to say I'm doubting your test, it's that I have cables from several brands (George L, Zaolla, Monster 500, Monster 1000) and to be honest never heard a difference anywhere near you have there.
Time to test cables again and investigate those Lava cables.
Also on the subject, IMO the brightest sounds don't always sound the best when amplified, brightness can be the opposite of warm and a step closer to harsh, fizzy...
I did an interesting test some years ago with several HiFI speaker cables and the most expensive cables Nordost Vahalla (5000Eur a pair of cables
This is all in small amounts, nothing like night and day differences.
Not like differences that most HiFi enthusiasts ear when they talk about different power cables
It does make that much of a difference. That's the scary part.
It sounds significantly better in front of the amp. I changed my entire cable rig today and the sounds were much less congested and had a bit more sheen. It was definitely a result I was looking for.
