James Murphy
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^ yep, you're right.. and there are also scores of incidents, every single day in this country, where a law-abiding citizen, lawfully carrying a weapon, thwarts criminal/violent crime.
I'll agree with this for handguns, but honestly, I don't see any real reason why a civilian should be allowed to own an assault weapon with automatic or even semi-auto fire and large magazines (and my reason for wanting to ban them is again related to my fear of the sub-category of criminals who were otherwise ordinary, law-abiding citizens, and "just snapped", grabbed their Bushmaster M4, and started tearing shit up)
I know a lot of you Finns own rifles for hunting and the like, but this dude had a handgun, no? Is it still pretty hard to obtain a handgun in Finland?
Nope, you just need a buying permit and carrying permit (hankkimislupa and hallussapitolupa in Finnish) that you can get from the policestation with like filling in a few forms.
http://www.intermin.fi/intermin/home.nsf/Pages/A7DA6895CA41BF94C22574D400423635 said:Ministry specified its instructions on issuing firearm licences
On 29 September, the Ministry of the Interior specified its instructions to local police departments on issuing gun permits and, at the same time, highlighted that its instructions issued in October 2007 on the standardisation of firearm licence procedures must be strictly observed.
As a rule, the first firearm licence must not be issued for a handgun; instead, people can use handguns for target practice under the control of shooting clubs. An acquisition permit can be obtained after practicing shooting actively at least for a year. A possession permit for a pistol, small-calibre pistol, revolver or small-calibre revolver should always be temporary.
When processing handgun permits, local police departments must always require applicants to provide a doctor's certificate which states that they do not have a physical disability or mental health problem that may cause them to harm themselves or other people.
The instructions emphasise that all persons applying for their first permit must be interviewed separately. In addition, two police officers must be present when interviewing persons applying for their first permit for a pistol, revolver, small-calibre pistol or small-calibre revolver. The instructions also stress that when people apply for a gun permit for the purpose of target shooting or practice, they must specify the type of target practice and also prove that they in fact practice this hobby.
Don't forget that the main use of a firearm is to protect lives and property.
So removing guns from hands of good people would make it a lot harder for police to do their job.
Not exactly that easy... Or at least it shouldn't be:
I think the path of least evil in this case is to just let everyone arm themselves, and let the fear in itself be the deterrent. As a small-time criminal, if you have to wonder whether your mark is able to turn the tables on you all the time, you may be forced to double-take more often. Either that or you become more inclined to shoot first and sort through the mess later. Either way it's more a matter of chance than anything else.
As a UK citizen i don't feel the need for a gun. Carrying pretty much any weapon around with you is just asking to get your head blown off in my opinion.
The majority of crimes are for the money in your pocket or your mobile phone/ipod/car etc... i.e. they don't have the intent of killing you.
If you don't fight back chances are you stay alive.
If you pull a gun and your unlucky and they pull a gun as well, the chance of you ending up dead suddenly increased several-fold. Remember, they're more likely to shoot than you are, they came looking for trouble in the first place after all.
LOL
Thats a fine example of the classical victim mentality.
Some people would rather let a criminal decide if they will live or die than have a choice to fight for their lives...
I'd prefer to have a say in such a crucial matter.
no, but the ones that do exist... like the town in Texas that has something like 90%+ gun ownership, most of them with Concealed Carry permits.. have very low crime rates.
and those countries are completely different than the US.. .the US only EXISTS because the citizens had guns....