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ABORTIONS FOR NONE.
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HMM. ABORTIONS FOR SOME, MINIATURE AMERICAN FLAGS FOR OTHERS.
yaaay!!!

Miers' Views Could Have Quick Impact

By GINA HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer Tue Oct 18, 4:16 PM ET

WASHINGTON - New revelations about Harriet Miers' views on abortion hint she would shift the Supreme Court away from abortion rights, more so than new Chief Justice John Roberts. The impact could be almost immediate.

If confirmed by the Senate, the 60-year-old who has never served as a judge would probably be thrust into a tie-breaking role on abortion cases — possibly in her first week. The court will consider reinstating a New Hampshire abortion law next month.

While her vote would not be enough to overturn Roe v. Wade, President Bush's pick would play a crucial role in deciding how far states and the federal government can go to restrict abortions.

"She will not disappoint the president early out of the box," said John Baker, a law professor at Louisiana State University.

Miers would replace Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, the architect of a 1992 compromise that barred abortion restrictions that impose an "undue burden" on women. Because of O'Connor's influence, including a 5-4 decision in 2000 that said a state couldn't ban "partial-birth" abortions, the subject has become a focus of the fight over her replacement.

Conservative religious leaders contend they have received assurances that Miers opposes abortion, and information released Tuesday by senators showed that in 1989 Miers pledged support for a possible constitutional amendment that would ban abortions except when necessary to save the life of the mother.

"If she's confirmed, the Bush administration will deliver what it promised to the religious right," said Martha Davis, a law professor at Northeastern University and former legal director of a group that supports abortion rights. "The entire court shifts to the right on this issue."

Bush's two Supreme Court appointments give him a chance to shape the court for years to come, something conservative supporters anticipated as they ardently campaigned on his behalf last year.

Roberts, 50, has been on the bench just a few weeks, replacing the late Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist.

Roberts, who is Catholic, did not reveal his personal views on abortion during Senate confirmation hearings or say if he would support overturning Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 decision that legalized abortion. His mentor, Rehnquist, opposed Roe, however, and Roberts is expected to vote similarly.

Tuesday's revelations about Miers came from a questionnaire sent out by Texans United for Life. Miers, who was a candidate for local government in 1989, said that she would oppose the use of public money for abortions and would use her authority to keep "pro-abortion" people off city health boards and commissions.

Her stance opposing abortion except to save the life of the mother mirrors the views of many conservative abortion opponents.

"That's a pretty strong pro-life position," said Jonathan Entin, a law professor at Case Western Reserve University. "That doesn't necessarily mean that if she were on the court now she would vote to overrule Roe. It might mean that."

O'Connor, in her decisions, has said that restrictions on abortion must be accompanied by an exception concerning the health of the mother. She is participating in cases until her successor is confirmed.

Republicans want a confirmation vote on Miers before Thanksgiving, which would put her on the court in time to immediately make a difference on abortion.

On Nov. 30, the court will hear arguments on New Hampshire's parental notification law, which a lower court said is unconstitutional because it lacks an exception allowing a minor to have an abortion to protect her health. O'Connor has been expected to vote to strike down the law. That case also could determine the legal standard for challenges to abortion laws.

Also in late November the court may decide whether it will hear the Bush administration's appeal of a 2003 federal law that bans the type of late-term abortion known as partial-birth abortion. Lower courts have said the law is unconstitutional, because it lacks a health exception.

The law was supported by Bush, and Miers was a top White House adviser at the time.
 
why oh why did you have to follow up with "abortions for some, miniature american flags for others!", because I was going to post that, and now you ruined any worthwhile chance I had of contributing to this thread

so I'm not even gonna read anything after that, jerk!
 
it's okay, i didn't read it either, i've been looking for an excuse to quote kang and kodos all month. :loco:
 
I just don't think I'll ever understand it. How one person can tell another that they're not allowed to have an abortion is just beyond me. What am I, in the Vatican all of a sudden?

This shit shouldn't even be newsworthy, let alone up for debate.
 
Mormagil said:
^.

Err, to Chromatose

well to nad too i guess
somebody needs to watch more treehouse of horrors. :dopey:

JayKeeley said:
I just don't think I'll ever understand it. How one person can tell another that they're not allowed to have an abortion is just beyond me. What am I, in the Vatican all of a sudden?

This shit shouldn't even be newsworthy, let alone up for debate.
i think the ban of suicide is more amazing, but they could definitely spar for the title of Dumbest Shit EvAr.
 
I'm still on the fence on this issue (like the death penalty).

Half of me says that a woman's body is her own and she should do as she sees fit.

The other half thinks that the would-be father should have a say in what happens to the baby.

The third half of me says "DOn't to the crime if you can't do the time." Keep your fucking legs closed.

(don't bring up the OMG rape, incest, and baby threatening the mommy's life crap...so 258902735 arguments ago)

In other news, Rivendell's "Aragorn Son of Arathorn" is a beautiful song.

that song>>>>abortion
 
J. said:
I'm still on the fence on this issue (like the death penalty).
I think there needs to be a higher standard when it comes to the death penalty. But if guilt can proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, let the fucker fry.

J. said:
Half of me says that a woman's body is her own and she should do as she sees fit.
For me, it's 90%/10%. On some level, it bothers me that a man has no say (being a man), but I agree that it's the woman's right to choose.

J. said:
The third half of me says "DOn't to the crime if you can't do the time." Keep your fucking legs closed.
I suppose this is true, if you want to equate sex with crime. If you do, there's a cabinet position waiting for you in the Bush administration.

Zod
 
My position on this issue is simple:

A huge consequence of sex (in the traditional manner between a man and a fertile woman) is pregnancy no matter how you look at it. If you don't want or can't afford a child, do not have sex in this manner - keep it oral, anal or whatever else gets you off if you need to have sex with your partner. I am not in favor of killing a life (no matter what stage it's in) if that life was created intentionally. And by intentionally I'm including accidental pregnancy that results from two consenting partners because you flat out KNOW it's a possibility even if you try to take precautions against it. Give that child up for adoption and give them a fighting chance - yes, you DO the crime you DO the time.

Now, if that life was created UNintentionally (rape, incest, involuntarily forced to partake in a lab experiment, etc.) then yes, it is entirely unfair to a woman to expect her to carry the burden of a pregnancy that truly was not her fault in even the slightest degree. Abortion should be legal in all these cases. I would even apply this to a medical situation where a woman was told she can't get pregnant by a doctor or something and somehow ends up pregnant. This does happen and abortions should be granted in these kinds of cases as well if the child is unwanted.

So, pregnancy the woman's fault in even the slightest degree, no abortion. Pregnancy not the woman's fault in even the slightest degree, abortion.

That's simply how I feel.
 
General Zod said:
I suppose this is true, if you want to equate sex with crime. If you do, there's a cabinet position waiting for you in the Bush administration.

Zod

I wasn't equating sex as a crime, I was merely saying what Dark One said in his first sentence.

In truthfullness, I think I am leaning toward how Dark One feels about it.

I mean c'mon, the pill/patch does wonders. Or just keep your legs closed you slut
 
I kind of have mixed emotions. I don't think abortion should be casually used as a birth control method when there are so many ways to prevent pregnancy. At the same time I had a really good friend in college who got an abortion in high school whose entire life would have been altered forever if she had had the baby, just because of one bad decisive moment, and which of us hasn't fucked up at least once.

but it should be for sure legal for rapes, I can't imagine expecting a woman to love and nurture a child forced upon her by her attacker. also, if the baby is going to have a gigantic head or something :loco:
 
lizard said:
I kind of have mixed emotions. I don't think abortion should be casually used as a birth control method when there are so many ways to prevent pregnancy. At the same time I had a really good friend in college who got an abortion in high school whose entire life would have been altered forever if she had had the baby, just because of one bad decisive moment, and which of us hasn't fucked up at least once.

I absolutely understand your position about the naivity of youth affecting an entire life - but remember, adoption is an option, and even at that young an age, you are absolutely aware of the consequences of having sex. I think having aboritions readily available to minors who make a mistake actually encourages promiscuity at a young age. They don't want to get pregnant for the most part, but if they do they have an "out", so to speak.

lizard said:
but it should be for sure legal for rapes, I can't imagine expecting a woman to love and nurture a child forced upon her by her attacker. also, if the baby is going to have a gigantic head or something :loco:

I wholeheartedly agree that a woman should absolutely have the right to choose on pregnancies in such scenarios.

To me, abortion for some is a resonable compromise and if a law passes that makes abortion for none the law of the land, then it is truly an attack on personal freedoms.