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Well, the critics say that Tyr is a bad album (1 star on allmusic.com)... so the critics are not to be trusted, since Tyr is a masterpiece IMO.

However, I agree that Forbidden is pretty horrible.
 
Forbidden is their weakest release but his STILL kicks some serious ass! One song - the opener - is totally ruined by a speech/wrap ice T give....but the rest is similar to "Cross Purposes". And a few tracks are heavy as f*ck.

Put it this way: if you like any of the Martin era (criminally underrated, IMO), you'll likely dig this record!
 
I've never picked this up because I can't find it! Same thing with Cross Purposes and Tyr. I've got Eternal Idol and Headless Cross (original IRS pressing) on CD so far.

Wonder if there'll be a Martin-era boxset like there are for Ozzy and Dio albums. Probably no market for such a thing unfortunately...
 
wolf said:
Is Forbidden really as crappy as the critics say?
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Probably worse. I bought it at the time blindly, because it was Iommi/Martin/Murray/Powell the same line-up as "Tyr", so I was pretty sure the music should be good...oh boy am I was wrong!

First to have a guy from Body Count as produceer, then to have Ice-T as guest, then the bad songs, as for the rest are generic/average tending to be bad. Not a single song that one can say this one rules. It's probably the most chopped BS album I have on tape. I seldom listen to it, it's really not neat, actually it is bad enough not to be worth of have been recorded even under a different moniker as Black Sabbath.

The only reason I kept it in my collection is for reasons of completism and to remind me than even a mythical band can screw up, so never buy anything blindly.
 
The entire album just falls flat with generic and uninspired songs. You can really tell the band was floundering with no clear direction. The inclusion of Ice-T is almost an insult and the cover art is just awful to boot. Forbidden is to this day the last Sabbath studio album and it saddens me that it had to end that way.
 
It's surely the weakest of the Martin albums. The songs are average for the most part, even though some are pretty good. But the production is flat and Martin has no range on this album, like if his voice was shot. With the excellent stuff he recorded after with Empire and Giuntini Project where his voice still rules, it's clear it's not the case, so I don't know what happened when he recorded this Forbidden album.

So Forbidden is worth as listen but I almost never play it nowadays...
 
desert_demon said:
Forbidden is to this day the last Sabbath studio album and it saddens me that it had to end that way.
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Well, it won't end that way cause the Heaven & Hell studio album is coming out in a couple months. And we all know that H&H = Black Sabbath so, there is a new Sabbath album coming out in 2009, after 14 years of silence...

:headbang:
 
desert_demon said:
Forbidden is to this day the last Sabbath studio album and it saddens me that it had to end that way.
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I felt the same, but then came "Reunion" and I thought it was the decent way to put Black Sabbath to rest. Now HAH comes to follow the legacy, new name, old guys, great music.

tsorl said:
Maybe this will cheer you up... :)
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=114107

edit: Ha! Beaten by one minute! :D
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Yes great news indeed :headbang:
 
wolf said:
Well how many songs does Ice T appear on anyways? I'm guessing only a couple?
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He appears on one song only - The Illusion of Power, but the inclusion of Ice-T is not the main reason the album is mediocre. The band just seemed to run out of steam by then and it shows in the songs.
 
desert_demon said:
He appears on one song only - The Illusion of Power, but the inclusion of Ice-T is not the main reason the album is mediocre. The band just seemed to run out of steam by then and it shows in the songs.
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and then some!
 
I agree. While I typically hate rap, I thought "I'm the Man" was fun. As far as Aerosupply..... "rap" wasn't all that bad when RunDMC was "king." RunDMC is about the only rap trio, I actually have a lot of respect for. The RUNDMC stuff was far different than where rap music ended up. Rap turned into a bunch of thugs singing about crime, and stealing riffs from other songs etc. No one wants to hear that crap. Early RunDMC, actually had a guitarist playing for them that was written for the songs, not stolen.


Bryant


kuier said:
dunno what the fuss is about. no-one dissed aerosmith or anthrax for doing rap songs. it was a phase in the life of sabbath. we've all moved on.
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